Jayd

Thank you for re-homing from the bottom of my heart......................

Here you go: Regurgitating. Acting overly sexual in response to being petting (especially on the back or wings). Hormonal feather plucking (most often occurring on the chest or between the legs) Frequent regurgitating of food, panting, crouching down with wings dropped. Increased shredding of paper or toys and increased chewing Possessiveness of favorite human (or bird companion) - while being extra aggressive toward others. Increased vocalization Females especially may show an increased interest in cuttlebone or other calcium sources, as well as protein rich foods like egg or meat. Masturbating

More so because you could be their "Last Chance"...

There is no such thing as a stupid question or a stupid person.!!!!!!! I'm at the human vet right now, I'll post more later.........

in all seriousness, you and your husband go out and look at re-home older amazons, remember they don't mature until around 12yr's old and a re-home zon and a grey are not alike, a zon carry's far less baggage then a grey, they travel light and live for the day.

Ask Dan if he would post the thread of the UVB system he made for himself really nice................

Happy HappyHatchday Neytiri!

Garryg...You did not imply nor say anything wrong. My post was a statement about the love, care and concern the Grey Forum and its members have toward this Grey community and our desire to help. Another great aspect of this forum is for each member to have their own opinion. A lady that I respect very much, Nancy, made a quote, voicing her opinion and I made a reply voicing mine. My opinion, in turn, strengthened hers and added to hers. That is why it is so important that all posts must be read more than once to make sure that we understand them. Nancy's quote: "A new parent of a grey doesn't need to know a thing about a grey, ( outside of diet)," unquote. Nancy, I feel that if you had spent a few moments, you would have basically said the same thing I said. Garryg, I always enjoy your posts....Jay

The Grey Forum supply's info to a perspective new Grey caretaker in the hopes it can provide as much useful and needed info before one purchases a Grey to prepare them to what is needed but also expected, shortcomings and all. Over the days, weeks, months and years we constantly see what happens if a person gets a Grey unaware of this complicated creature's special needs..It's devastating to the Grey and the new owner..... Our second purpose is to supply ongoing help and answers and support to those who own a Grey that they researched and to those who are in dire straights for not researching in hopes of saving a bad situation and a re-home. It is in the best of intrest of all those involved that we do everything in our power to make sure a new or possible new owner has as much info as possible before buying a parrot. I'm sorry if I don't agree with some posts. Thanks Jayd

Something to keep in mind. All parrots leave the nest at different times, a Conure is kicked/thrown out of the nest as soon as they can fly by the father, so you don't even have to hand feed them till that happens, a Grey stays in the nest for two years or longer, so human imprinting can wait for eight weeks with only benefits to the Grey. Cockatiel's we share/feed with the parents, we would remove the baby for one hand feeding a day and return them to the parents, we would hold the baby two or three times a day until fledged, we did this with a number of other parrots. Each parrot we bred from "TOO's to Macaws were hand fed differently. The more time they spent with the parents the better..............

I hope no one gets tired of us posting this...................... http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190462-We-Feed-Our-Fid-s!!!-Update/page3

Come on Dave, help us. http://www.birdchannel.com/bird-diet-and-health/bird-care/imperfect-birds.aspx

I have never tired a "Vet online", I don't know if there good or not! Maybe you'd like to try one..... http://www.justanswer.com/bird-vet/ You can apply the neosporin and lightly wrap the wings and body with Vet-Wrap, [horse doctor or pet supplys]

Here's two places you can check. You can also go to a chicken [farm]vet or doctor, a grey and a chicken physiology are similar and treatment would be the same.... http://www.fsvps.ru/fsvps/main.html?_language=en http://www.cnshb.ru/aw/show.asp?page=vetmed

Do you understand what "PBFD"? Do you understand that it is deadly? Enough, GET YOUR GREY MEDICAL ATTENTION ASAP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by Stewart A. Metz, M.D. 1.GET TO KNOW ABOUT PARROTS BEFORE YOU BRING ME HOME - I am not a domesticated pet like a dog or cat. I still have the spirit of the jungle in me. I have special needs which you may find it hard to fill. Please don't learn these too late for my well-being. And please don't acquire one of my cousins wild from the jungle—it will jeopardize his survival and well-being, and that won't be a party for you either! 2.GIVE ME THE LARGEST HOME POSSIBLE - I am used to flying through rainforests or savannas. I have given up this great gift for your pleasure. At the very least, give me enough room to flap my wings and exercise. And I need toys for my amusement and wood to chew—otherwise, I might confuse your Home with the forest and its trees. 3.GIVE ME A NUTRITIOUS DIET - I need a wide variety of fresh and nutritious foods, even if they take time to prepare. I cannot survive on seeds alone. Take time to learn what my needs, and preferences, are. 4.LET ME HAVE A 'SOCIAL LIFE' - I am a gregarious flock animal—but I am not one of you. I need lots of socialization to learn how to act with you, and with my siblings. I also need to have adequate quality time with you every day—no matter what your schedule or other needs are. I am a living,feeling creature. Above all, I need to be able to have complete trust in you, and count on your predictability in looking after me—every day. 5.LET ME BE CLEAN - I may like to drop food or even throw it, but I need meticulous cleanliness to be healthy. My skin itches without frequent showers, the barbs of my feathers won't seal if they become oily and, worst of all, I may become ill if my food or water is not always sanitary. 6.I NEED MY OWN DOCTOR - You may not understand my physiology and therefore you may not recognize it early on when I get sick. And it may be too late when you do, because I hide my illnesses (remember what I said about my being an animal of the jungle, where there are lots of predators). And I need an avian vet—a specialist (no HMOs for me please). If you can't afford one, perhaps you shouldn't have taken me home. 7.PLEASE DON'T PUNISH ME - Just as I don't always understand your peculiarities, you may not understand mine. I don't TRY to get in trouble—remember, a house is not the jungle. If I do screw up, don't yell at me and never hit me. I have sensitive ears and I may never trust you again if you strike me. Hands are sometimes scary things to us (why in the world would you not be zygodactylous like us?). Even more importantly, we don't learn by punishment. We are gentle creatures who only strike back to protect ourselves; we learn through patience and love. 8.SPEAK MY " LANGUAGE" - I know you get upset with me when I knock over my water bowl, throw food, scream or pluck my feathers. I don't do these to annoy you—I am probably trying to tell you something ( perhaps that I am hurting, lonely , or sad.). Learn to speak MY (body) language. Remember that I , alone of all creatures on this planet, learn to speak yours! 9.SEE ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL - I am a unique and feeling being.. No two of us are alike. Please don't be disappointed in me if I don't talk like you wanted, or can't do the tricks that your friend's parrot can do. But if you pay close attention to me (and I always empathize with you, whether you know it or not), I will show you a unique being who will give you so much more than talking and playing.. Give me a chance to show you who I am; I think you'll find the effort worth it. And remember—I am not an ornament;. I do not enhance ANY living room décor. And I am not a status symbol—if you use me as such, I might nip at your up-turned nose! 10.SHARE YOUR LOVE WITH ME - Above all, please remember that you are my Special Person. I put all my trust and faith in you.. We parrots are used to being monogamous.(no bar-hopping for us!).So please don't go away for long periods or give me away—that would be a sadness from which I may never recover. If that seems to be asking a lot, remember—you could have learned about my needs before bringing me home. Even having a baby or taking a new job isn't a fair reason—you made a commitment to me FIRST. And if you think that you must leave me because you might die, provide for me forever after you leave. I may live to a ripe old age but I can't provide for myself. Remember I'm in a small cage amongst people who are not of my blood. 11.YOUR RIGHTS - You have lots of rights, but I can only assure one. And that is, if you treat me the way I described above, I will reward you with unwavering love, humor, knowledge, beauty, dedication-- and a sense of wonder and awe you haven't felt since you were a child. When you took me home, you became my Flock Leader, indeed, my entire universe –for life. I would hang the moon and stars for you if I could. We are one in Heart and Soul

Greetings Nancy...Joe here...as representative of Salsa, Tango and the rest of our flock, I am wholeheartedly in agreement with your open door policy. Jay and Maggie are allowed throughout our home but they do have their own room. Their door is kept closed and we do demand access to that room upon occasion. We require Jay and Maggie to keep the poop stations clean throughout the house and expect our food and drink bowls to be clean and filled at all times. They have access to our kitchen because they do prepare our meals and in turn, we let them prepare their own in appreciation. We are somewhat worried though. It appears that Jay and Maggie were severely clipped sometime before we moved in with them and their feathers have not appeared to have grown back. I am afraid they may never fly again. Another frightening sight...I don't know if you have ever truly seen a plucked human before. It can be frightening if you are not used to it. Over the years, we have become accustomed to it. We have not noticed any eggs yet...but it seems like they are always hormonal. Another thing that we have noticed is that Tango dropped one of her perches on the floor. Maggie tried to step up on it and fell over backwards...she really does need "Step Up" and perch training. As a final thought, I don't think that they will ever fledge...or fly....sigh...

Thank you all. No ID........The day 4/1/12 was extremely hot,high 90's and the winds were 60-65+ 24/7. Were wide open in the desert, no where to hide, many birds were killed being blown against the buildings and walls. Spock had Hypoglycemia, and was on a special high carb diet and ate 4 or 5 times a day. Thank you Jay

Accumulation Accumulate/ What's that? Definition of ACCUMULATE transitive verb : to gather or pile up especially little by little : amass < accumulate a fortune> intransitive verb : to increase gradually in quantity or number Okay, so what's that have to do with my parrot or me? Yea, I accumulate a lot of things, newspapers, old toys etc, that can't hurt any one. What does my bird accumulate? Salt! The only salt my bird gets is in his/her food or the occasional chip he/she gets. My Doc says I'm not supposed to have salt, I don't really, but I cheat sometimes, how can that hurt??? [Lets use Salt as a example of all that can accumulate that is bad or might be bad for our parrots ie;sugar,onions,garlic,etc] Our systems have a design limit on how much of any given thing that it can tolerate over any given amount of time. Most all living things have these limits and are incorporated into their system, including our parrots. somethings have a Maximum limit,[once reached can tolerate no more ie; salt, sugars, heavy metals, etc which leads to further health problems] and recurring limit,[too much Vit A etc.] once a amount is reduced, more can be tolerated if caught in time. A human can get rid of most excess salt. A healthy human is suppose to have no more than approx 2500mg of sodium a day. A slice of reg wheat bread has 90mg of salt, so if you give your parrot 1/2 slice of bread a day that's 45mg of sodium plus that dab of butter/peanutbutters salt content,[lets keep going] add the sodium in his bird food, ad the natural sodium in veggies, the one chip and bite of pizza, WHEW................. Unfortunately a parrots system cannot eliminate salt and sugar etc the way a human can, so what happens? It Accumulates , to grow and grow and accumulates more until our poor parrot [let alone us humans] develop a serious health risk which could cause death. I'd like to touch on the word Moderation. Moderation is a really good practice with our fids. But, please remember, with certain foods and certain ingredients, moderation itself can be harmful. This area is especially true in sugar and salt. You should give your companion no more than the minimum of natural levels that are present in their diet, lest they accumulate . Thanks, Jayd

When Jacks not home, keep her caged for a while, go to her side, sit by her,talk to her, sing to her, sing old MacDonald, say he had a Sassy with a [insert a sound Sassy makes, but ignore her actions, you relax, make it like everything is normal, YOU let Sassy out of her cage when Jack gets home.. A long as you have a defeatist attitude nothing will get better, every time you duck or make a sound, your reinforcing Sassy actions.

Your right, one little bite won't hurt anything, well, lets see: Salt, dyes, a little more salt given to a parrot whose system can't remove sodium from it's body like a human can, then lets give it some spinach, which has salt, and all the rest of the processed salt bearing food we give it in a day. a little won't hurt any thing, don't even know how the dyes will effect a parrot, let them live a little so they can have a shorter life by that little cheeto. KEY WORD: Accumulate, this little bite won't hurt, but all the future bites, "they live so long" in all the foods and treats both good and bad we feed or parrot's accumulates and shortens there lives. What about that extra sugar? and other things we feed them ? No, no Cheetos, chips, no extra salt or sugar. A parrot doesn't party on a Saturday night's, no cheeto, they won't miss it, but they'll be alive.

Qkay guys, we've got some serious problems here.. Talk of re-homing, never good for the Grey, what if there's a problem with the next one? Take time, that's all, this is a new bird and home, give the bird a chance to look around.Ten months from now it could hate your husband, there's no set time limit or how man times they'll change. Just because they are doing so and so right now, they can change there mind a hundred times in the next month....Now there's another problem concerning possible death, complex health problems, secondary health issues, food?????? Cheeto's, Candy, When Janet said treats, she means "Bird treats"........................One bite of the wrong thing can kill them or harm them for life. I hope your really not feeding Cheeto's etc................

As most of you know, we just passed the one-year anniversary of Spock leaving us. We had rescued Joe after Spock was a year old. Spock taught Joe how to be a Grey, how to eat new and exotic foods and meals, how to socialize with birds and humans, how to share, how to play, how two birds can play together, and how to carry on four-way conversations with two birds to two humans. Last, but not least how to get in trouble and how to create plausible deniability... Joe and Spock were extremely close to each other (not physically) and had no trouble sharing. This morning, Joe went over to his window where he likes to look out every morning and stood there very still. When I went to check on him and was ready to ask him if he was okay, he called out "Spoooock" through the window screen. He looked at me and said "Spock's gone bye-bye"...he turned back to the window and said brusquely, "Spock, come here!" Talk about a tear-jerk moment...I started crying all over again. Maggie

Hi...Maggie typing for Jay...Nancy, please forgive me but I have to make some corrections. Please, I mean nothing against you...to start with, these are serious open wounds and more than likely, this Grey will need antibiotic injections. Neosporin: use the cream, not ointment as petroleum based products will hurt parrots. If flushing with peroxide (Aloe Vera juice is better on avian care), use ONLY a 3 percent hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) solution. It must be diluted with 70 percent distilled water and then flushed clean after using the peroxide/distilled water with fresh distilled water. Some countries don't package hydrogen peroxide like we do in America. They package it at 100 percent H2O2 and it is not always carried in drug stores as we know them. Can you imagine using 100% H2O2 on an open wound??? No saline, please...Again Nancy, please, I am not meaning to cause any trouble...I hope we hear from this person again. Thanks, Jayd

The question is, what country? and how many kilos between areas of population. As we've learned from some of our members, there's country's with no vets, that's why I suggested any medical person or ouylet, fingers crossed....