Jayd

We'll, a new week, Spock hasn't been his best since last report, he eats and eats but he still drops a few grams aday. This past couple of mornings he's down to 440-448 grams.He'll go upto as high as 482 grams after a meal and lose it .. Luv Spock, Jay and Maggie... [sorry, photos are dark]

:blush: Dan, My bad, poor choice of words "Debate" I hope everyone understands that I am strictly the instigator of this post...These continuing questions and new ones along this same line was my reason for this post. My intentions were to draw out the best in all you Grey't and knowledgeable people. These questions and others like them need to be asked and answered. Dan, thank you, don't stop...We need to know not only what is safe or not, but why!! Jay

What a marvelous amazon, how old? male or female? [more photos please] Please post some more... Jay Karma to you....<br><br>Post edited by: Jayd, at: 2010/02/08 04:39

B) Spock here. When we fly, the world [or house] is ours, nothing is beyond our reach, [or beak] Wall boards, curtains, wall clocks and nick-knacks, ours to explore and play with [destroy]... Jay here, don;t listen to him. Flight, a true gift for both the bird and their caregiver... Spock here, your life [or house] will never be the same...[The re-decorator]:evil: Spock Live Long and Prosper:evil: :evil:

;)A Karma to both Judy and Pearllyn,[1 now 1 later. lol] Great points, I feel this is a important debate, we must be aware even if we don't agree, some people didn't know some of these foods might[?] be dangerous to our companions...Pearllyn, look how much you have contributed to this debate by making the statement you did!!! Thanks Jay

Karma, Pearllyn, Your words are so true... Jay

Good Morning! It is that time again...here is another beautiful Amazon for you... Enjoy! Jayd Scientific name Amazona brasiliensis By Carlos International School of Curitiba The red-tailed Amazon, which is locally known as "Papagaio da Cara Roxa," is very endangered. It is the symbol of the Guaragueçaba Protected Area in the Atlantic Rainforest that is located on the Southern coast of Brazil It is disappearing because of the pet trade and habitat destruction. Nine out of ten parrots captured to be pets die before reaching their final destination. Most experts conclude that it is extremely hard to breed this parrot in captivity. It is special because it can only be found in the Atlantic Rainforest. The red-tailed Amazon has become a symbol of the efforts to conserve one of the Earth's most biologically diverse ecosystems, the Serra do Mar and the Guaraqueçaba region of southern Brazil, which was declared a "World Heritage" site by the United Nations in 1992. By Igor International School of Curitiba, Brazil The red-tailed Amazon (Amazona brasiliensis) is considered one of the most endangered Amazon parrots in the world. It is estimated that there are only 3000 to 4000 red-tailed Amazons left in the wild. They're dying because every year thousands of birds are smuggled across borders packed in large quantities into containers too small to hold them. Many die painfully during the journey from hunger, thirst, broken limbs, or simply from fright. Nine out of every ten captured die before they reach their final destination or buyer. The loss of their habitat and difficulties encountered breeding them in captivity has reduced their population greatly. They are only found around the tropical coastline of Brazil in the southern states of São Paulo, Paranà , and Santa Catarina. In 1991-92, the population had fallen below 2000 individuals. Following on-going conservation efforts, the most recent estimate suggests a population of around 6600, indicating that this species is recovering from earlier persecution. Red-tailed Amazons weigh around 425 g (15 oz) and are approximately 35 cm (14 in) long. As expected from its common name, it has a broad red band on its tail, but as it largely is limited to the inner webs of the feathers, it is mainly visible from below or when the tail is spread open. Additionally, the tail has a broad yellow tip, and the outer rectrices are dark purplish-blue at the profile/red_tailed_amazon/ http://www.thewildones.org/Animals/rtAmazon.htmlbase. The remaining plumage is green, while the throat, cheeks and auriculars are purple-blue, the forecrown is red, and the retrices are broadly tipped dark blue. It has a yellowish bill with a blackish tip to the upper mandible, a pale grey eye ring, and orange irises. Juveniles have a duller plumage and a brown irises. http://www.chesterzoo.org/AnimalsandPlants/Birds/Parrots/Red-Tailed%20Amazon%20Parrot.aspx http://www.parrots.org/index.php/encyclopedia/ <br><br>Post edited by: Jayd, at: 2010/02/08 00:41

Thank you everyone! Dan, it is our turn to say prayers for you!!! We certainly hope everything turns out okay for you and we will keep you in our prayers. Spock here...(they are watching me like a hawk because they had to get a new keyboard...they said it was too hard trying to press down on metal when they typed. I never had any problems!) Dan, I'm trying to mind-meld but my wings won't stretch that far and Jay and Maggie says airfare is too expensive for me to fly...and I KNOW they are coming with that sticky pin any time now so just get better... Spock Live Long and Prosper (Oh..) and Jay and Maggie

:laugh: I HOPE NOT!!! You are a fixture here and we look forward to hearing from you! Jay

You'll find the one....Don't worry....Luv Jay and Maggie

Excellent point Dan, Grape food seed extract, or as Maggie and I use Organic Apple Cider vinegar.. We us this to wash food, clean cages, and add to our fids drinking water.[they love it] Jay

Do it, Do it, you won't be sorry!!! Remember, unlike a grey, you can scold and correct a zon, also they know how to amuse themselves...Spock, Joey and Salsa get a long great, Salsa is a instigater... Write more later...Jay http://www.p-pp.tv/articles/yellow_naped_amazon/index.htm

Thank you Dan, and all of you. As Dan has stated "Proof" scientific proof is what is needed. What health benefits are received if we do feed our birds these questionable items and isn't it just plane safer not to feed them to our birds in the first place? Whats your feelings?:blink: Pro's, Con's? STEP-UP, the Soap box is open!!!!! Thanks Jay

Thank you for your honest answers...To clarify my questions, there are a lot of no-no's that have little or no physical proof or records of actual distress or death from our birds eating them!!! Should we on the whole do a re-evaluation of these concerns? Jay;) Everyone's opinion is highly valued...

Recently I did a post in the "Amazon Room" concerning apples and pectin, it raised concerns about what is really good for our birds and what really isn't. I feel after reading all the posts from all you distinguished readers that it should be brought to every ones attention, so all may comment and learn. Question: Are apple seeds, avocados, chocolate, garlic etc safe or toxic for our birds? Should we feed any of these to our birds? :blink: My personal feelings which are well known is that I will err on the side of caution. The Forum is Open. Jay Post edited by: Jayd, at: 2010/02/06 01:51<br><br>Post edited by: Jayd, at: 2010/02/06 04:13

Morning photos of the Spock...Jay

Not a real good report today, he's not singing or talking much today, his weights down even though he eats like a pig...Last night he weighed 474 after eating 30cc's, and he was down to 446 grams today, down 10 grams from usual...For breakfast he ate, 1 1/2tbs smash + 1tbs Orzo pasta. [heaping] The reason I'm reporting like this is so you we'll all be aware of possible ailments and there symptom... Jay Thank you all...

That's great, Karma..Ok people, one of ours is asking for your advice, deep thoughts everybody... :) Jay

:ohmy: Talk about hard, that's giving Spock his shots, he squirms, wiggles, screams and Bites, then ignores me... Jay

Janet, that's great, getting an older 'Zon. Remember, we are going into hormonal season...:ohmy: You won't be disappointed and you are a big part of this room! Dave; why do you think I have a 'Zon???? And I thought green and red went together good! Got to get rid of that hat!:laugh: Jay

:laugh: And we tried to hide these facts...Thanks Dave....Dave's question still needs answering... Jay

:huh: :ohmy: Love to see pics of that!! Amazons Rule!! Jay :laugh:

Thank you Jillybeanz, I appreciate the thought, I'm really not absent, and Maggie covers for me when needed. Maggie knows the direction I'm trying to take the room in...What I need from all of you, is Amazon post's... Thanks Jay

JillyBeanz wrote:

OK,I'm the moderator, but this is your room!!! I'm sorry I haven't been around lately, but it's you good people who make this room what it is...Wheres "Owen"? and "Cooper"?, no one takes a shower any more? Sunny Bird? Nilah...Hay "Paddy", I guess your cameras are broke? These guest browse our room and see know new post's, what do they think?...I'm counting on you all, Amazon, Grey's and other bird owners who made this room what it is, Let's post....Jay