As far as I am concerned, I like any of my pets to do things because they want to.Not because it is the only way to recieve what is there right,food, water,afection and attention. I have never deprived any of my animals, in the past I have had cats, dogs ,horses, rabbits, and all have trusted me to provide all they need, when they need it .I think the concept of making any animal earn lifes sustinance is horrible.Ok, I see no wrong in holding back a favourite treet untill you have a training session and using it as a reward but food and water, no way.My Horses used to compete with me at cross country and show jumping as well as ridden hunter classes and I schooled them myself purely by reward and repetition.I use exactly the same method with my birds. Ok they will never do displays or such but they are in my eyes very well behaved pets. yes I get the odd thing chewed up or damaged but they are parrots and thats what they do.It is my fault for leaving things in the way of beaks.What I am trying to say is that much more is gained by trust and kindness and patiance than horrible methods advised by two people who it is clear are only out for themselves. I unsubscribed from the emails long long ago and I advise anyone to do the same. Dont waste your money or loose your parrots trust. I do set ground rules for the birds but they are rewarded for sticking to the rules,not punished in anyway for straying from them.This has alway worked for me.<br><br>Post edited by: she, at: 2008/12/20 19:37