Jayd

Suggestion, What we do with all our fids, is they go to bed around the same time each night, and get up around the same time each morning, even if were up and around. Thanks Jayd

Thank you for the photo's and your wonderful care of this baby! Jayd and Maggie

Here's some good reading, please don't rely on everything you read, human experience is far more accurate! Thanks Jayd http://www.africangreys.com/ http://www.alexfoundation.org/

Hi Mama, Before a shower, why don't you try a pan with a couple inch's of water? get him used to it, if he doesn't like that, try misting. After he gets used to what water is,go ahead, try a shower! would want him to be frighten by the shower right of... Jayd

So cute, so good! Kopi

Thank you Dave!!! Jayd

Welcome, your going to be ok. Please don't be assertive or bold, this is never good with a Grey, it's something you never have to do. Be the opposite, when your with your baby, sit by the cage and read to him, a comic book, cookbook, it doesn't matter, show him pictures as you read, rest your arm on his cage door, let him come to you, don't rush him. :)No stick now, it can come later. build his trust in you by being there, not with treats. Listen to what he says, in action and sound, he will talk to you and tell you what he wants. If he's aggressive, say "don't bite", softly, and walk away ignoring him. Come back shortly like nothing happened. When ever your around your baby, be calm, he can read your emotions, so pretend the best you can, then leave the room before letting out any frustrations! Rescuing a rescue is one of the hardest things a person can do! You can do it, just be there for this sweet baby. Jayd

That's cute, they learn a word and how to get a reaction, while learning proper usage. That's wonderful!!! Joey's learned to call me Papa. Jayd and Maggie

I hope you enjoy this!!!

So meaningful and true, deeply thank you. Jayd and Maggie

Other 225 seized parrots!!! This is happening to all our parrots, Grey's included! Jayd:( Category: Nestlings, Pantanal Date: October 6th 2008 By: blue-fronted-amazon Other 225 nestling parrots were seized last week by the Military Police at Mato Grosso do Sul state!!! Now they sum 600 blue-fronted parrots and 16 yellow-faced parrots, taken from their nests to supply the (national and international) illegal animal trade – only on this reproductive season!!! These animals are now receiving health care at the Wild Animal Rehabilitation Center (CRAS) at Campo Grande. Since it was created 20 years ago, the CRAS has received thousands and thousands of blue-fronted parrot nestlings. Most of them captured on the board of Sao Paulo and Mato Grosso do Sul states. The smugglers know this area pretty well, and sometimes stairs are left year-round at the nest-threes to facilitate the capture on the following reproductive season! http://blueparrot.wildlifedirect.org/category/nestlings/

Don't do this yourself, it's more stress then fun. When they get older, before flying, feeding 3 or 4 of these is work, they all want to eat at the same time, they hold there wings out and try to crowed each other out. We loved it. It's dangerous to do it one time, to "bond", but if your planing on doing it as a career, get proper training first. I still firmly believe that only weaned babies should be sold to the general public. Jayd;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdazRi2vqE

:pUn-huh, Had the honor of doing dishes twice! Thank all...Jayd;)

And also what is being done to their natural habitat!

A Grey is a wild animal removed from the wild, bred to be companions. They are long removed from being able to take care of themselves but not so long as to forget at times they're still wild...so it's up to us to make sure we protect them. We're the reason they demand all this attention. We removed them from the wild. Our true feelings.....Jayd and Maggie

Great!!....... Jayd

Not answers, just something to read, is she over heating being covered? Please contact Dave! http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?137018-CHLAMYDIA-Helpfull-information!!! http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?115338-ASPERGILLOSIS/page2

Our Amazon of the Week, is: Yellow-headed aka Double Yellow-headed Amazon Parrots (Amazona oratrix aka Amazona ochrocephala oratrix) This amazon possesses both the yellow nape and yellow crown - hence a "double-yellow" head and the origin of its name. Sub-species: Double Yellow Head or Yellow-headed Amazon (Amazona oratrix oratrix aka Amazona ochrocephala oratrix) - Pacific and Gulf slopes of Mexico. Tres-Marias Amazon Amazona oratrix tresmariae, previously Amazona ochrocephala tresmariae: Tres Marias Islands (Islands off the west coast of Mexico) Belize Yellow-headed Amazons Amazona oratrix belizensis, previously Amazona ochrocephala belizensis: Belize. Amazona oratrix hondurensis: Sula Valley, Honduras - Only recently described, while the population in north-western Honduras and adjacent eastern Guatemala (near Puerto Barrios) resembles belizensis and commonly is included in that subspecies, but may actually represent an undescribed subspecies. It has sometimes been referred to as guatemalensis, but until officially described, the name remains provisional. Greater Yellow-headed Amazon Amazona oratrix magna - previously A. ochrocephala magna - Carribean Side of Mexico. Most authorities consider this sub-species invalid, instead including this population in oratrix Amazona oratrix magna - from the Pacific slope of Mexico. Most authorities consider this subspecies invalid. Double Yellow Head or Yellow-headed Amazon (Amazona oratrix aka Amazona ochrocephala oratrix) Distribution / Range The Yellow-headed Amazons are endemic to Guatemala. They were previously also found along the coastal slopes of Mexico from the Tres Marías Islands and Jalisco to Oaxaca and from Nuevo León to northern Chiapas and southwestern Tabasco, as well as a disjunct area including most of Belize, as well as northwestern Honduras. They inhabit riparian forest and areas with scattered trees, as well as evergreen forest in Belize and mangroves in Guatemala. Introduced populations can be found in Stuttgart, Germany where a population of over 50 individuals resides. Smaller introduced populations are to found at Imperial Beach, San Diego and Santa Anna both in Southern California. Their numbers have been reduced drastically—by 90 percent, to 7,000, from the mid 1970s to 1994, and by 68 percent from 1994 to 2004. The main reason being trapping for the pet trade and habitat destruction. Physical Description The Yellow-naped Amazon averages 15 - 17 inches (38–43 cm) in length (including tail). When excited all feathers of the neck and crown are raised, making the head appear double in size. They have a robust build, rounded wings, and a square tail. The body is bright green, with yellow on the head, dark scallops on the neck, red at the bend of the wing, and yellow thighs. The flight feathers are blackish to bluish violet with a red patch on the outer secondaries. The base of the tail also has a red patch, which is usually hidden. The outer tail feathers have yellowish tips. The bill is horn-colored, darker in immatures of the Belizean and Honduran subspecies. The eye ring is whitish in Mexican birds and grayish in others. Male and female look alike. Immatures have less yellow than adults; they attain adult plumage in 2 to 4 years. Mutations: Lutino and blue mutations and myriad variations have been produced in aviculture. Below is a photo of Tommy - a beautiful and rare mutation double headed amazon. According to his owners, he is a great pet. He likes attention and wants to be close to the action. He can be very vocal screaming "come here, come here!" Like just about all parrots, he likes to discipline by biting from time to time. Training is recommended to prevent undesirable behavior. TommyTaxonomy [some of you might remember Tommy.] Tres Marías Amazon at Cougar Mountain Zoological Park, USA. This species is part of the Amazona ochrocephala complex, which also includes the Yellow-naped Amazon (A. auropalliata). This complex, "a taxonomic headache", is considered a single species by some authorities and split into three species by others. The split is mainly based on the amount of yellow in the plumage, the color of the legs and bill, the close proximity of A. oratrix and A. auropalliata in Oaxaca, Mexico, without apparent interbreeding, and the presence of both A. ochrocephala and A. auropalliata in northern Honduras. This evaluation has, however, been confused by misunderstandings regarding the plumage variations in the populations in northern Honduras, where birds vary greatly in amount of yellow on the head, crown and nape, but have pale bills and a juvenile plumage matching A. oratrix, but neither A. ochrocephala nor A. auropalliata. In 1997, the population from the Sula Valley in northern Honduras was described as a new subspecies, hondurensis, of A. oratrix. A. auropalliata caribaea on the Islas de la Bahía, which is in relatively close proximity to the recently described A. oratrix hondurensis, may have a relatively pale lower mandible, indicating that gene flow may occur between the two. If confirmed, this could suggest that the two are better considered conspecific. Alternatively, it has been suggested that caribaea and parvipes, both typically considered subspecies of A. auropalliata, may be closer to A. oratrix than they are to the nominate A. auropalliata. Both are relatively small and have red on the shoulder like A. oratrix, but unlike nominate A. auropalliata. The members of this complex are known to hybridize in captivity and recent phylogenetic analysis of DNA did not support the split into the three "traditional" biological species, but did reveal three clades, which potentially could be split into three phylogenetic species: a Mexican and Central American species (including panamensis, which extends slightly into South America), a species of northern South America, and a species from the southern Amazon Basin. The Central American clade can potentially be split further, with panamensis (Panama Amazon) and tresmariae (Tres Marías Amazon) recognized as two monotypic species. According to the traditional split, A. oratrix includes the taxa tresmariae (from Tres Marías Islands), belizensis (from Belize) and hondurensis (from Sula Valley, Honduras) as subspecies. An additional subspecies, magna, has sometimes been recognized for the population on the Gulf slope of Mexico, but today most authorities considered it invalid, instead including this population in oratrix, which also occurs on the Pacific slope of Mexico.In contrast, the population in north-western Honduras and adjacent eastern Guatemala (near Puerto Barrios), which resembles A. oratrix belizensis and commonly is included in that subspecies, may represent an undescribed subspecies. It has sometimes been referred to as guatemalensis, but until this population is officially described, the name remains provisional. The origin of the common epithet "Double Yellow-headed" is that this species is differentiated from the others in the Yellow-headed Amazon complex by possessing both the yellow nape and yellow crown of its two close relatives, hence a "double-yellow" head.[citation needed] Conservation status The Yellow-headed Amazon is considered endangered by the IUCN, and is on the CITES Appendix I, which by international treaty, has made export, import and trade of wild-caught Yellow-headed Amazons illegal and the trade in birds bred in aviculture subject to controls in most of the world. Captive-bred Yellow-headed Amazons can be sold and owned legally subject to checks and regulations. Generally, throughout the world, sale of Appendix I species bred in aviculture must be accompanied with official certification which is provided by the breeder, and they must have a closed ring on one leg. The popularity of Yellow-headed Amazons as a pet continues to fuel poaching efforts, which have nearly driven it to extinction in the wild. Their wild population has declined from 70,000 to 7,000 in the past two decades alone. An estimated 90% of poached Yellow-headed Amazons die before they are sold. Yellow-headed Parrots nest in holes in tree trunks or fallen branches. Poachers usually hack at the nest site with a machete to steal parrots, which is especially destructive because habitat is lost at the same time that the wild parrot population is reduced.[citation needed] The situation for tresmariae, which potentially can be treated as a separate species, is unclear, but its very small range gives cause for concern and some reports indicate it is under considerable threat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7BgrY2Ewew&feature=related http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow-headed_Amazon http://www.avianweb.com/yellowheadedamazon.html

Good morning and thank you. My personal feelings are to feed formula for as long as you can, it has so much in it that a baby Grey cannot get any where else. Your baby is getting ready to fly, he wants to lose weight, more important then eating. Pellets have less fat, protein etc, than formula, so the weight drops. I would like to see your baby have 2 formulas a day till around 12 weeks. Example: If your baby is eating 25cc's,2 times a day, pluse all the rest he's eating, 5cc's = a teaspoon, 50cc's =10 tsp of formula! With all he's eating, that's a lot of extra goodness. All Grey's wean at a different age. Go as long as you can..Your doing so good. Jayd

:pThanks !!! every one!! Jayd:p

We always look forward to our walks with you....

Please come back, every single person who left. The forum is not the forum with out you, were incomplete. We miss you, each and every one of you, you are important, you are what makes the forum what it is...Even if we don't always agree, your still needed. I'll tell you how important you are, all of you, If any one left because of me, you come back and I'll leave for you, so you can be here!!!. Jayd

If I may? Dave and Dan are correct in all respects. Last year I fledged Hybrid Macaw's and Amazon's, I've personally lived with and seen the out come of such breeding, that's another story,. Here's more on these poor birds, one thing, they have soft mandibles. If it is necessary for man to create a mutation, than it is for his own amusement! Possible Mutations / Different Colorations: African Greys with red feathers scattered throughout the plumage are occasionally seen. Such birds are often referred to as " Kings "or "King Greys" and are marketed as more exotic and desirable. However, such red feathers scattered in areas where you wouldn't expect them can be an indication of damaged feather follicles (usually because of feather plucking), medication (for example administration of antibiotics at the time a bird is molting has caused temporary changes in feather coloration - these feathers are usually replaced with normal coloration feathers at the next molt). There is also a good possibility of sickness, malnutrition or over-supplementation (please refer to african grey nutrition), liver disease or kidney problems. Although it is possibly that genetics is involved and that it is a mutation. It is easy enough to differentiate that -- depending on whether an African Grey developed these red feathers over time (which would be an indication of health problems), or whether they were born with it, which would point towards genetics / mutation. However, several recognized mutations occur naturally in the wild, such as the F2 Pied Mutation, which results in a broad red band across the abdomen. In 1998 the first Grey mutation was created when South African bird breeder Von van Antwerpen and New Zealand partner Jaco Bosman selected F2 Pieds and created the first red African Grey. Other mutations include: Albino (no pigment) Lutino (yellow pigment) Incomplete Ino (mostly white, but with small percentage of melanin) Grizzles (soft pinkish scalloped found in its feathers) Blues / White-tailed Mutation (white pigment in the tail) - A white-tailed mutation has been bred in New York City - please refer to the below photo. i will email you some photos. The blue mutation turns the red tail and rump white. Since greys are grey and hence lack psittacine, they don't actually turn blue (information provided by Lien Luu - breeder of this mutation. Parino (very light scalloping found in its feathers) http://www.avianweb.com/africangreys.htm

You could walk into a pet store with 20+ of these guy's in a cage, put your arm in the cage, they would all jump on your arm and play or hang upside down! These were wild caught birds, never trained!!!!!