Talon

Just feeling the need to revive this thread as a reminder to ALL MEMBERS! PLEASE RESPECT EACH OTHERS DIFFERENT OPINIONS! Be Friendly in your Debates!

Please let me correct you Rambo: ALEX stood for: Avian Learning EXperiment. Although I do agree with the feeling you seem to have. That Alex was overworked, and over trained. The things that Alex could do, doesn't happen easily. That takes consistency and hard work every day of his life. He did show signs of stress and frustration with his feather plucking. I feel that his training could have led to his untimely death. Not for the reasons that others say, as him being mistreated. I believe he was treated very well, had the best doctors, the best diet, the best care possible, the best interaction with humans that any Grey could possibly have, and lots of love from everyone he came in contact with. As far as how happy he appeared, he lived the only life he knew, and any bird who doesn't know any other life, will be happy with their life, just like all animals and birds. The truth is, we probably will never really know the real reason for his death. At this point, everything everyone here has to say about it is SPECULATION.<br><br>Post edited by: Talon, at: 2007/09/15 21:55

Very nice Joe! Great artwork and detail. I have a friend that was a warm up jockey for that horse. Your Dad had great taste! You enjoy horses too?

What a pretty bird! Thanks for the picture. Very nice colors as well. Congratulations!

Hi & Welcome to our grey family! I look forward to hearing more.

Hi & welcome to our family . Hope you stick around and keep us informed of your plans!!

Very Cute! :cheer:

Yes, I agree that a cooling off period for this thread would be a good idea. However the Locking Thread Mechanism is still in the process of being "fixed". So until that time, let's all please be cordial here. And if you don't like this thread......DON'T POST IN IT ANYMORE!

Yes, get him to a vet ASAP. Any vet is better than NO VET! If he APPEARS sick, then he is VERY VERY sick. Please don't hesitate, and keep us posted. Good Luck!

Hi and Welcome to the family. Yes, I totally agree, BAD idea for both you and the safety of a bird to get one so young and unweaned. Especially for first time owners. Wait and find the perfect weaned baby. There is one out there for you. Good luck and keep us posted.

Hi Kareema, Welcome to our family. You'll love it here. Lots to learn. Any questions, please post them if you can't find the answers here. Looking forward to hearing more about your grey...name...age..etc. Pictures? <br><br>Post edited by: judygram, at: 2007/09/14 05:00

Mouse pad chewed up Mouse scroll button chewed and taken apart daily 4 Electric stapler cords chewed Phone cord chewed Laptop keys chewed off Blackberry keys attempted to chew up Ipod chewed Pens & pencils Time cards and various other papers all chewed on the corners Perching on monitors and poop runs down the screen Toys all over desk File folders all chewed Envelopes all chewed Remote buttons all chewed Coated Paper clips chewed up Every paper on my desk chewed Bits of food all over All good reasons why you should keep your Grey OFF your desk! Too bad I never followed that rule, my desk looks just like I described! :pinch:

Oh Mark! Isn't that the best feeling for both of you? Talon will do that all the time. When she flies to come find us, all you have to do is out your hand up and she will land on it. If we don't put our hand up, she will land on your shoulder. That's fun too! But wait until she lands on top of your head...OUCH! those claws!!!!:evil: Now that KIP has done that, she'll be more confident each time and do it always!! I'm very happy, it is sooo cool when they do that! B)

Joe, these are great play stands. You do excellent work! Maybe you should hire Judy as your secretary, and start taking orders! :whistle:

Hi Beccy. I'm sorry things didn't work out. But keep us posted, and I'm sure you'll find the baby that wasmeant for you!!

Makena, those are great pictures!! Thanks for sharing them. You are very lucky that she likes a shower!

Caspersmun, Welcome Back! I'm so happy all went well, and I bet Casper is so happy to see you! Congratulations on passing your exams!! {Communicate-000200D5}

Thank you for your support guys! Karma for the both of you!! :kiss: :kiss:

Well after your edit, yes you did. (I have your original in my blackberry.) Perhaps next time, one should take a step back and not jump to conclusions without all the information.

danmcq wrote: Dan, Rambo started 3 threads each with the same topic and question. I deleted the First one that had NO replies, and the Second one had 1 reply from Joe. I copied it and pm'd it to him asking him to cut & paste it into the Third thread with the other replies. I then deleted the Second thread out. If you would like to see the pm I sent Joe, I'd be happy to pm it too you. You should know me better, I don't censor, remove, or delete with out a pm notification. The only exception would be if it has offensive and abusive innuendo's. As Admin, I make no apology for deleting under those cicumstances.

Wow! FairY, thank you for sharing that link with us. It is emotionally overwhelming to see all those families and what they have lost forever. My heart breaks for them, but I take comfort in the fact that they have this rememberence to share with the world. They will never be forgotten.

Thank you! Karma for you.... :P

WOW! Tracy. You must be so proud. I know I would be. A very handsome young man as well! Congratulations!!{Communicate-00020110}

I don't think anyone here is qualified to say exactly what Alex's life was like. The amount of time spent on him with his training and his interaction with Dr. Irene Pepperburg and her staff that cared for him. But one thing we do know, is this, he was very much loved and admired by them and the entire Grey World. Yes, I have read many articles and seen many videos about Alex. Some do say he was trained for about 8 hours per day. I do think that is extreme. I have a hard time believing that was accurate. That kind of training does take a toll on them, and they really, like a child, don't have the attention span for it. In his most recent video with Alan Alda, and Dr. Pepperburg, he to me, did look very tired and weary. But that could just be his look, and the time of day. Many factors to consider in his busy life. We all have different opinions, but that's ALL they are, opinions, not facts.

Is it now? B)