loviechick

Red is 13 years old, Zsa is 3 years old

That looks great! Can't wait to see the final prjoect!!!!

CD thank you for what you wrote!!!! Kudos to you!

Hey I'm involved dangit!!!!!

Thanks Dan, I really liked reading that.

Ok you're right, I will sell all my furniture, and everything the bird could potentially crash into to make it safer, and just sleep on the floor with a sheet. It's not about convenience it's the fact that the average home has so many dangers it's about protection, but whatever like I said you won't drop the "convenience" thing and thrive off of being a fire starter. I'm done, and your last statement about yourself, spot on.

Makena answered your question, and so did I along with others, are you so blind to prove your point that you didn't notice?

I really really really wish I was in that conversation last night LOL

Calling someone close minded isn't calling them a name by any fashion, it's merely making an observation. and by NO MEANS was it a hasty generalization, you have more than backed that conclusion up, and I KNOW I'm not the only one that thinks so. This is my last comment, I'm tired of someone telling me the right and wrong way to live my life because it doesn't appease THEIR lifestyle. And I enjoy how you don't answer my question about where the logic is in you berating people. Your silence says more than enough for me. Also your insulting of the premise is still more or less a personal attack due to the fact that you have made it clear you are NOT open to any other possibilities.<br><br>Post edited by: loviechick, at: 2007/09/14 23:01

I'm glad it's doing better!!

No this isn't a place for debating and intentionally upsetting others because you are convinced that you ARE right, when in fact there is no right answer, just egotistical people on a soap box. You keep pushing and prodding others with your snide remarks and totalitarian thinking. You may question our logic in clipping a birds' wings? Where's YOUR logic in purposely berating people all thanks to the anonymity of the internet?

I agree Dan a little too hot for me.....thanks for your input dan and Makena!

I think it's rather short sighted to call it abuse, some animals tails are docked and ears are cropped just for SHOW not even for protection, so I think the argument is weak sauce in my opinion. I also find it funny that both of my Greys were rescued from dire situations where they were abused, malnourished, one with a raging yeast infection, the other with a terrible bacterial infection, but yet I'M cruel for clipping wings, how selfish of me...Then again ignorance is bliss.... I suppose it's fruitless to waste time debating a topic in which one of the two parties involved is completely close minded, and more or less making someone feel AWFUL for a decision they have made(not me I am perfectly fine with the CRUELTY AND ABUSE you have so dubbed me responsible of, I'm implying others) I'm stopping here before I get booted :laugh:<br><br>Post edited by: loviechick, at: 2007/09/14 22:01

Oh my gosh I didn't know birds could get worms!!!!! Talk about unlucky, hopefully you and Makena will feel better!

From the research I've done birds acclimate to weather rather well. Not to the extent that humans do, as they have a hollow bone structure, and can maintain temperature but not warm up as fast as we can they should be kept away from drafts and also they shouldn't have a bath before bedtime unless they will be fully dry.

There's nothin better than a happy fluffed up Grey!

I was nervous about getting my second rescued CAG Zsa Zsa, but I keep them on opposite sides of the room and really neither of them seem to care that the other one is there. In fact I've noticed Red is a lot more talkative and seems to be happier that she has someone to talk to!

Sounds like the mating dance to me!

I'm going to Hawaii for 2 weeks here in November! I'll be in your neck of the woods Makena!

Interesting arguments, it's a good thing we're all entitled to our opinions!<br><br>Post edited by: loviechick, at: 2007/09/08 00:57

Yeah I'm not into buying companions for my birds cause as long as they have human interaction, they should be fine. I would just keep them seperated as sad as it is, and the other reason they may not like him is an age thing, but who knows with Greys. You're luckly your other 2 got along, cause mine sure as heck don't!

Tari...I would have probably taken my Greys with me to more places but I've only had Red about 6 months, and we're just now getting to the point to where I can touch her anywhere, she was so abused it's been a very long road and she was scared of everything...I didn't want to over stimulate her as in the beginning she was spooked by everything. My other Grey well we're still getting used to eachother, but I will more than likely be taking her to my next meeting!

I personally wouldn't take my birds with me only because he is still new to you only having him 3 weeks, and I could really see that shaking up a bird going into a different environment like that. Your home is still a "new" environment for the bird, and I think it would be better to leave him home and have someone check on him. When I got my first Grey, I went on vacation after having her a month, so basically the exact same situation as you. I had my mom come over everyday to talk to Red so that she could see and hear my Mom and be familiar with her. This way when my Mom came over to feed and check on her, she was already in a "safe" "familiar" environment and at least knew of the person that was there. I recently took Red to one of my bird club meetings, and I've had her almost 6 months, and she is very comfortable with meand trusts me and she was TERRIFIED at the meeting, she clung to my shoulder the entire time! Eventually she loosened up enouh for me to set her on a chair by herself with some grapes, but aside from that she wasn't digging it at all! Hope this helps in your decision!

Oh and Tari you hit the nail on the head with your answer!

The site that nevjoe gave you is the one I have saved in my favorites as referrence to bad stuff for birds! As far as your last question both my Greys were the latest additions to my house, meaning I had others there first. In the wild Greys are flock birds, however they only flock with African Greys. I noticed that with both the CAG's when I brought them home they "checked out" my other birds, but really didn't care one way or the other if they were there. The only times that my Greys care is when one of the "others" gets in "their" space:laugh: Just this last weekend I introduced my Greys and well they beaked at eachother for a bit, then got scared of eachother and both freaked out. They don't seem to have any desire to bond with eachother and that's just fine by me. It all depends on the bird, but neither of my CAG's seemed to care about the other birds in the room, they could take them or leave them!