Jayd

im typing this myself please be patient. in my deepest heart i want to thank all for the emails and pm you sent me. thank you all for the support and encouragement and the heart felt concern. thank you for asking me to continue posting and being a member of this forum. im going to be a little different when i post, im going to post a reply only, no personal opinion, with support needed if asked for. i well respond to the question not the person [to a point] and leave my smart and sometimes arrogant mouth out of the post lol. as joe and some of your parrots might say, what ever:p thank you all so much j

I'm editing this post. I have no right to subject members to my emotions. Trancesworks has a right to speak his mind. My feelings are the same, I'm just not going to force them unto anyone.

Metacam (Meloxicam) is one of several drugs classified as non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) Dog and Cat Med. Bactrim is an antibiotic used to treat different types of bacterial infections such as urinary tract infections, middle ear infections, bronchitis, Human sulfra drug. Is your vet a "Bird" vet or general animal vet". thanks

Thank you Sassy, bless you both, sorry if I might have sounded overbearing, I've seen too much hurt by not asking......Jayd

Thank you again, When will you get the test result? Does the vet think it is Vit A deficiency? Is he testing for hypovitaminosis A, immunosuppressive disease, the same that's found in PBFD? What type of Antibiotic's and pain med's [research them on the web] is he giving? Thanks Jayd

This truly is the greatest forum on the net, those that offer ask nothing in return and their reason for offering is love of parrots and man/women kind........Dan, Judy Earthchild and all the rest thank you for having a opinion and voicing it. Dan and Judy s experiences are not just from books, but from real life.....Bless you all and your Fid's

[Maggie typing for Jay] I offered true help not criticism and I questioned as you have. So far you have been given good advice, I will no longer offer my experience to you. Sometimes we don't like to hear the truth. Only you can know what is right or wrong, were not with this poor Grey 24/7 like you are, our only response can be to what you post.....As your mystery man has a opinion, so do I and every one on this forum, including you...The best to you and yours.....Jayd This thread has a lot about rescues...http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190309-A-note-on-Punishment-and-your-Parrot/page10

[Maggie typing for Jay]Sorry, but this whole series of Irwin has things about it that bothers me. What does it matter how old the Tag is?, what does it matter if " Wild caught" ? Is Irwin a test subject? re: Simple tests of grey cognition Who is this mystery man who has brought this life altering news? Number 1 you can't go by a "Band" and its markings! and you can't tell a Tags age by looking at it. Trancework, GOOD REPLY, your links are great but there old, sorry, you need to not test or try to figure out a band but to apply common sense, treat Irwin like a new baby that you not worried about but are just so happy to have..Sit and talk, laugh, sing and read to, if Irwin squawk, tell him "I don't like that, walk away, keep the cage open, keep your hands out of the cage, clean at same time each day, talk, sing and read some more, love not question, read this forum, there's a lot of currant post on rescues... Chill out, enjoy this wonderful creature not question him... You have had Irwin since Feb, it is now May, Irwin hasn't even taking his coat off yet, Took Joe 2 years to come out of cage and some of our others even longer... Irwin is doing what is expected at this time. Please give the baby a chance, don't rush or push him....A flower doesn't bloom in one day, and sometimes it takes years for us to learn.......

Maggie here, Jay responded to a PM from Ray, in Jays own words I'd like you to hear it, a truth. "thank you ray, i love the post and i love our zons and i really hope more people would respond to this post. feedback is what we need, yours to mine mine to yours, questions like why is my zon the way he/she is and yours is different, in your case its your heart, knowledge, care and concern for our beloved zons."

Teach, don't use props to scare and cause our Greys to become neurotic....

Thanks Ray...I'm going to stick my neck out here...one myth I could not bust...after researching our records, the net, and other outlets is the Double-Yellow Head Zon is still rated as being the most likely 'Zon to go either way with the bad attitude. It doesn't appear that age has anything to do with them mellowing out and females may have a slight edge on being on the nicer side. Buuuutttt....there are too many variables such as how they were bred, how they were fledged, number of other parrots they fledged with, what type and how much socializing, what they were fed and the amount of food available, location and environment, (hot weather, cold weather, sunny, cloudy, hot, cold), amount of owners, the owner's attitude, conditions in the household (noisy, quiet, argumentative, children around, other animals, especially other parrots, free-flighted or not). All these factors, in the case of a 'Zon, determines whether a myth is true or not. Thank you, Jay and Maggie

This is a very good question, thanks Aerial.. How many Greys have you bred?? Other parrots? Whats your set-up? Are you prepared for the parrots future?

What a excellent expression of the way it is...Thank you.....................

Greetings! Maybe I can bring some clarification to a red-factor Grey...A red-factor Grey occurs naturally in the wild and usually appears as a red band below their breast. Captive birds can show red feathers as these photos show which can be hereditary or by feather/blood disease. As I stated earlier, a lot of times, these markings will disappear after a molt or two. Now, a solid red Grey does not occur in the wild. They are human bred by taking Greys with large quantities and quality of red color, breeding them together and then breeding and re-breeding until a solid red CAG is born. Due to this breeding process, at this point in time, we don't know how much physical/mental damage and the effects on longevity and health issues can be caused by this. The whole purpose of genetically altering these birds is for the breeder to make money and the only people that can afford them are quite well off. We are personally against this practice. Thank you, Jayd and Maggie

Not uncommon, can be generic or because of medical conditions. Some times "Molt's out"......

Katana600's advice is solid.....The key being "Grey Time", Pretend your building Rome...

I re-read you post and would like too add a couple of things. The reason your baby went back into the cage when you stepped up on the sofa is not because you were higher but because you moved away from the cage...Your baby should be out of the cage as much as possible, by giving treats thru the cage bars you are saying it's okay to stay in the cage, here's a treat for doing so,,, give the treat when he comes out of the cage, not when he's in it. When you want him to go back into the cage, while he's watching, put a toy or treat into the cage and praise, always praise.....

Cage high is a Grey myth that has been around for a long time, the reason a Grey seeks heights is for security not status. As far as position in the flock goes it's usually determined by the oldest member. If a Grey is afraid or dislikes something, we usually do not pursue it if it is not essential to the Greys well being. A lot of Greys dislike the human forearm, or gloves or long-sleeves, if your Grey doesn't like a open palm then don't go out of your way to present them to him. What your doing is exactly what you stated, "causing stress", not good for bonding let alone just showing trust...Thanks Jayd

Hi...let your baby move forward at his/her own pace. If you're not already, keep a good seed mix, [no peanuts in shell or sunflower seed], some pellets, some Cheerios (?) or a hard oat cereal, dice up a little bit of carrot, a little greens (dandelion, Swiss chard, edible kale, collard greens), at this stage, don't give any more fruit than you have to...the baby will waste but he will learn to nibble too. What we have always done and we like it, others may have their own opinion...we like to take half a teaspoon of organic low-sodium creamy peanut butter and every morning or afternoon (once a day) hold the spoon down there for the baby to nibble off the spoon. In many cases, they go crazy over it. What you are doing is stimulating their taste buds. It is a great way to get the baby to eat more protein since Greys need more protein and if you ever need to give the baby some medicine, he/she will be familiar with the peanut butter and it will be easier to administer whatever you need to give. On the plus side also, it is more solid...you can also steam or boil up some sweet potato, squash or steamed carrots and leave it on a flat plate in the cage or feed it to the baby on a spoon in between feedings. Please remember, your baby could enjoy spoon feeding to a year old or longer. What this is called is "Abundant Feeding" and is an essential part of raising a mentally healthy Grey. By having food available at all times (even though it is wasted...) you will be bonding and providing security. Remember, you can always share all this good food...................... Thanks, Jayd

Fyi, in a few more weeks your baby is going to start to fledge, a fairly good sign that their close to flying, is their flight feathers extend almost all the way to the end of their red tail. Another point, because they want to fly so bad your baby will cut done on eating, less weight means easier to fly. Keep a eye on the weight. Thanks Jayd

Such a beautiful baby, For now, dip a wash cloth into warm water and blot the formula from around his beaker, if it drys just hold the warm cloth against it till it gets soft....

Thank you for taking in a rescue Grey! If I may, not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers...there are many, many differences in handling a normal Grey, let alone an abused Grey as compared to a dog. One of the hardest things to grasp is the fact that there is no alpha male in the Grey kingdom. Here is some good reading to start with along with members sharing their experiences with re-homed and abused Greys... http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190309-A-note-on-Punishment-and-your-Parrot/page10 http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?198094-So-you-want-to-be-owned-by-a-parrot/page2 Thank you...everyone is here to help you... Jayd, Spock (Maggie) and the flock by Stewart A. Metz, M.D. 1.GET TO KNOW ABOUT PARROTS BEFORE YOU BRING ME HOME - I am not a domesticated pet like a dog or cat. I still have the spirit of the jungle in me. I have special needs which you may find it hard to fill. Please don't learn these too late for my well-being. And please don't acquire one of my cousins wild from the jungle—it will jeopardize his survival and well-being, and that won't be a party for you either! 2.GIVE ME THE LARGEST HOME POSSIBLE - I am used to flying through rainforests or savannas. I have given up this great gift for your pleasure. At the very least, give me enough room to flap my wings and exercise. And I need toys for my amusement and wood to chew—otherwise, I might confuse your Home with the forest and its trees. 3.GIVE ME A NUTRITIOUS DIET - I need a wide variety of fresh and nutritious foods, even if they take time to prepare. I cannot survive on seeds alone. Take time to learn what my needs, and preferences, are. 4.LET ME HAVE A 'SOCIAL LIFE' - I am a gregarious flock animal—but I am not one of you. I need lots of socialization to learn how to act with you, and with my siblings. I also need to have adequate quality time with you every day—no matter what your schedule or other needs are. I am a living,feeling creature. Above all, I need to be able to have complete trust in you, and count on your predictability in looking after me—every day. 5.LET ME BE CLEAN - I may like to drop food or even throw it, but I need meticulous cleanliness to be healthy. My skin itches without frequent showers, the barbs of my feathers won't seal if they become oily and, worst of all, I may become ill if my food or water is not always sanitary. 6.I NEED MY OWN DOCTOR - You may not understand my physiology and therefore you may not recognize it early on when I get sick. And it may be too late when you do, because I hide my illnesses (remember what I said about my being an animal of the jungle, where there are lots of predators). And I need an avian vet—a specialist (no HMOs for me please). If you can't afford one, perhaps you shouldn't have taken me home. 7.PLEASE DON'T PUNISH ME - Just as I don't always understand your peculiarities, you may not understand mine. I don't TRY to get in trouble—remember, a house is not the jungle. If I do screw up, don't yell at me and never hit me. I have sensitive ears and I may never trust you again if you strike me. Hands are sometimes scary things to us (why in the world would you not be zygodactylous like us?). Even more importantly, we don't learn by punishment. We are gentle creatures who only strike back to protect ourselves; we learn through patience and love. 8.SPEAK MY " LANGUAGE" - I know you get upset with me when I knock over my water bowl, throw food, scream or pluck my feathers. I don't do these to annoy you—I am probably trying to tell you something ( perhaps that I am hurting, lonely , or sad.). Learn to speak MY (body) language. Remember that I , alone of all creatures on this planet, learn to speak yours! 9.SEE ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL - I am a unique and feeling being.. No two of us are alike. Please don't be disappointed in me if I don't talk like you wanted, or can't do the tricks that your friend's parrot can do. But if you pay close attention to me (and I always empathize with you, whether you know it or not), I will show you a unique being who will give you so much more than talking and playing.. Give me a chance to show you who I am; I think you'll find the effort worth it. And remember—I am not an ornament;. I do not enhance ANY living room décor. And I am not a status symbol—if you use me as such, I might nip at your up-turned nose! 10.SHARE YOUR LOVE WITH ME - Above all, please remember that you are my Special Person. I put all my trust and faith in you.. We parrots are used to being monogamous.(no bar-hopping for us!).So please don't go away for long periods or give me away—that would be a sadness from which I may never recover. If that seems to be asking a lot, remember—you could have learned about my needs before bringing me home. Even having a baby or taking a new job isn't a fair reason—you made a commitment to me FIRST. And if you think that you must leave me because you might die, provide for me forever after you leave. I may live to a ripe old age but I can't provide for myself. Remember I'm in a small cage amongst people who are not of my blood. 11.YOUR RIGHTS - You have lots of rights, but I can only assure one. And that is, if you treat me the way I described above, I will reward you with unwavering love, humor, knowledge, beauty, dedication-- and a sense of wonder and awe you haven't felt since you were a child. When you took me home, you became my Flock Leader, indeed, my entire universe –for life. I would hang the moon and stars for you if I could. We are one in Heart and Soul

Judy, Timbersmom, thank you so much. We decided not to pursue this quest, it appears that very little interest was generated. Thank you again...........................Jay and Maggie

Ray, this really is a good and useful thread and the forum has a number of members who could contribute. Keep up the good work my friend.

From a old crow to a young Starling HappyBird Day, Since your flock calls you Bird, it only appropriate;) This is just one of many more, Love you Jayd and Maggie and the Flock