Jayd

Thank You. We've sprouted off and on for many years, of late we've used a new method, I'll explain shortly. Sprouting is a excellent and safe way to boost you Greys diet, Mung beans being one of the easiest things to sprout and grey't for our birds. Excellent site on Sprouting for Gre'ys...http://www.africangreys.com/articles/nutrition/sprouted.htm Sprouts! My African Grey, lovebird and cockatiel LOVE their sprouts. Sprouted or germinated seeds are usually more easily accepted by "seed addicts" than fresh fruits and vegetables. Sprouted seeds are healthier as the sprouting changes and enhances the nutritional quality and value of seeds and grains. Sprouted seeds are lower in fat, as the process of sprouting utilizes the fat in the seed to start the growing process - thus reducing the fat stored in the seeds. Sprouted seeds will help balance your bird’s diet by adding a nutritious supply of high in vegetable proteins, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and chlorophyll. Soaked and germinated "oil" seeds, like niger and rape seeds, and sunflower seed, are rich in protein and carbohydrates; while "starch" seeds, such as canary and millets, are rich in carbohydrates, but lower in protein. It is an invaluable food at all times; however, it is especially important for breeding or molting birds. What we do now is what we call "Short Sprout" We sprout for 8-12 hours, just till the sprout appears, at this time we rinse them in "Organic Apple Cider Vinegar" Note:Don't use GSF at this time, and feed them to our birds. The sprouts are sweeter and just as good as 3 day sprouting, the longer the tail gets, the more bitter it is. What we use is :TOP Organic Seed Mixes Thanks Jayd

See, when you get old, the first thing to go is the shell,lol had a senior moment!!!!! Do you eat the peel? Thanks Old man Jayd p.s. you also tend to more emphatically and yell so you can hear yourself...

:cool:Did You Know? African Grey's, in their natural habitat, follow Elephants, Then then pick and eat the seeds that have started spouting in the Elephants droppings. The enzymes in the Elephants digestive system, starts the sprouting process, this means the seeds Grey's eat in the wild are far superior in nutrients then what we feed our Greys. Sprouting???:confused: Jayd

:cool:Just for interest: Our large Fids are kept in whats called "Sleep Cages! Their about the size of the old cage you have, to help stop hormonal problems, we cover our big Fids for 10hr's.We open their cages and feed them at 6am each day. They have a favorite toy, seed, pellets, and water and we string a large dark green leafy veggie in the side cage bars, usually, Dandelion or Kale or Mustard or Turnip green, they like to munch on it before going to sleep....[cute] Since our Fids have access to their home we share with them, their only in their cages when they sleep or we go out for a while. Except Joey, his big cage is loaded with toy's etc, and has been his home since he was weaned, he'll stay with that cage for life, that's part of his baggage:(, it's cute, he lets Spock, and Salsa share it like a playpen when he's not nite-nite!!! Jayd

I just posted this, Salsa get around 6% fat, much less than our other fids, He gets less Beans, Nuts, Sunflower Seeds And fatty treats, other wise the same thing. [lowfat/high protein diet......http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190462-We-Feed-Our-Fid-s!!!-Update&p=203170#post203170 http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190217-Chicken-salsa! Jayd

Your questions are all Grey't!!! You've done a good job of answering them! You baby need's 10 to 12 hours of sleep a day, so he should be alone for that length of time. The Grate on the bottom of the cage is to keep your baby from walking in their poop! leave it in!, keep all the food for him available at all times, they only will eat so much! Except Fruit,they don't need much fruit, a grape or 2 a day is plenty, or a small slice of apple or pear, not much, fruit is all sugar, not good if to much is fed to them.Yes, your baby is practicing... talking...lol

:pLOL HAHAHAHHA, Sorry, Haven't had that problem with them..........:rolleyes:

I feel this warrants our attention: 2010 IUCN Red List Category (as evaluated by BirdLife International - the official Red List Authority for birds for IUCN): Near Threatened Justification This species is listed as Near Threatened because a recent analysis suggests that up to 21% of the global population may be harvested annually. In combination with the rate of ongoing habitat loss, the species is therefore suspected to be declining moderately rapidly. http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/species/index.html?action=SpcHTMDetails.asp&sid=1496 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Grey_Parrot Status and conservation Timneh African Grey Parrot (wings clipped) Rarer than previously believed, it is uplisted from a species of Least Concern to Near Threatened in the 2007 IUCN Red List.[3] A recent analysis suggests that up to 21% of the global population may be taken from the wild annually,[3] primarily for the pet trade. The species is endemic to primary and secondary rainforest of West and Central Africa.[4] Grey parrots depend on large old trees for the natural hollows they use for nesting. Studies in Guinea and Guinea-Bissau have found that the preferred species of nesting trees are also preferred timber species.[5] There is a positive relationship between the status of the species and the status of primary forest:[6] where the forests are declining, so too are populations of Grey parrots.[5] Congo African Grey Parrot in a bird park The African Grey Parrot is listed on Appendix II of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES). This requires both that exports be accompanied by a permit issued by a national authority and that a finding has been made that the export is non-detrimental to the species in the wild. With exports totaling more than 350,000 specimens from 1994–2003,[7] the grey parrot is one of the most heavily-traded CITES-listed bird species. In response to continuing population declines, exceeded quotas and unsustainable and illegal trade, including among range states, CITES included the grey parrot in Phase VI of the CITES Review of Significant Trade in 2004. This review has resulted in recommended zero export quotas for several range states and a CITES Decision to develop regional management plans for the species. In the United States, importation of wild-caught Grey parrots is prohibited under the U.S. Wild Bird Conservation Act of 1992. In the European Union, an EU Directive of 2007 prevents importation of this and any other "wild-caught" bird for the pet trade. Jayd

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:)Lot of good people and good advice on this Forum;) Your doing great, stay calm!! I'd rather you new all possibility, then being surprised! Jayd Maggie, Spock and the Flock!

Thank you.. Do you have a carrier ? [These are just suggestions!] Leaving the cage door open, try a "step-up" with finger or perch. Or with him in the cage, place the carrier door up to the cage door, if you can, and scoot him to the carrier.[?].With your baby out of the cage you can cover him with a towel, [i use a Fleece baby blanket, so the toenails don't get caught] Never hold a parrot tight around the chest!!! It's tramatic no matter what. Be prepared you might get bit!, remember if you git bit, make no reaction, no sounds, just put him down safely, walk to another room, put a towel in your mouth and scream!, come back right away, say calmly, "don't bite" and try again... I'm sure others have advice on moving a bird Jayd

NO!!! Don't feed Peanuts with a shell on , Never!!!, As others have said, "Unshelled, Roasted, Unsalted, caned peanuts only" http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?115338-ASPERGILLOSIS/page2

Sorry, I couldn't see it!, Is it " Soft tissue like a marshmallow? Or a Hard ball? Or like a bone end or joint? How big? Amazons are prone to "Fatty Tissue Disease" as well as "Fatty Liver Disease".http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?177551-An-Amazon-s-Worst-Enemy/page2 Cancer - particularly liver cancer -- common in older amazons. Tumors: Tumors can be benign or malignant (cancerous) and can involve any organ or system. Some species of birds tend to develop benign fatty tumors called "Lipomas." Lipomas are commonly seen in overweight Amazon Parrot, Rose-breasted Cockatoos and Budgies. It seems that older budgies are more prone to tumors of the ovary, testicle or kidney, which may eventually put pressure on the sciatic nerve on the affected side, resulting in lameness of the foot or leg. Fibromas are tumors found on the wing and they may need to be surgically removed. In some instances, amputation of the wing may be necessary.

Welcome and thank you for your devotion, and re-homing rescues!!! Thank you about not clipping!...Make your post about your TOO, in "Other Birds.. We'd all love to hear about you and your fids.. Never to long...lol Jayd, Maggie, Spock and the Flock

I hope you reconsider clipping! I've personally seen what can happen to a abused bird, who hasn't flown, has their wings clipped because someone said they would rely on their owner more, a myth! please read:http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190309-A-note-on-Punishment-and-your-Parrot http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190455-To-clip-or-not-to-clip If you clip, there's a good chance the Zon will hold it against you, and even turn more introverted. After all the baby's been through, why take his birthright away from him? Why give him one more reason to not trust humans, or you? Please read all you can before you commit you new bird to this awful fate, I have 4 rescues right now who have complications because they were clipped...Trust in you, bonding is what makes a happy healthy bird, not distrust through clipping... Thank You Jayd, Maggie, Spock and the Flock

I'm sorry, I can't agree with your assessment at this point in time, please don't take this personally. Pellet only diet's are not the best choice for Amazons, unless it's something like "Harrison's" or "Totally Organics Parrot" foods, which are seed based. TOPs is cold processed, and Harrison's is processed at a far lower temperature than most all other brands, retaining all the benefits most of the other pellets lose in the heat process of making them. Low fat seed's and pellets should both be available at all times, but a Zon's diet should be mostly Veggies, Grains, Nut's and Fruit, Low fat high protein diet, around 6% fat. I feel wing clipping would defeat all that needs to be accomplished at this point or at anytime. It is proven that clipping of a companion birds wing doesn't lead to dependence, but resentment and the breaking of their spirit, which could lead to the bird becoming more introverted. I've seen fledged birds, clipped shortly after weaning live a decent life, they never new anything different, but not a bird of age, who knows the differant. Clipping at this point could be the final straw. Even going to a larger cage will be a slow process, having both cages in the same room, beside each other, letting the Zon make the move to the new cage, new toys in the new cage, all kinds of food in the new cage, doors to both cages open, then the slow change to the new diet, thank God Zon's eat almost anything. LOL I'll post some threads for you to check out tomorrow... Jayd

Please do, everyone here is excited!!!!!!! Jayd

Really good bird, so sad they have to get rid of him!!![see Post:] http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190448-TOO-to-rehome!-200.00 SOLD

I'll post photo's later today, his name is Crackers. He's a well-balanced bird.. Their selling him because their out ow work and have kids and little money, their his second family. Thanks Jayd

Thank you, If I may, please don't get your baby till it's completely weaned!!! Lisa [Loki'sMinion] and Makilah are both experienced at hand feeding..

Thank you for your decision to re-home a parrot, Amazons are wonderful birds, their not quite as demanding as other parrots, their very good at amusing them selves, but still demand a lot of attention. Your vet has given you good advice, time and patients are of the utmost importance. Noise, a Amazon is noisy sometimes in the morning, and sometimes in the afternoon, each bird is different! They should sleep 10 to 12 hours a night. It is something that can be improved with a little work, there not to loud for me! LOL...A seed and pellet diet is great for a Amazon, it's to many peanuts, sunflower seeds and a fatty diet that's the problem!!! it's not seeds that cause trouble but what you feed them with the seeds... Again, most[!] Zon's are sociable, you have to wait and see. I would get him, that's my personal opinion...Blue Front http://www.greyforums.net/forums/sho...e-Week-5-30-10 Here's a index : http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190343-Amazon-of-the-Week-Index http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190188-Cholestrol-and-Amazons http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?177551-An-Amazon-s-Worst-Enemy/page2 Welcome and good luck!! Jayd

We have access to a 7-8 year old male Sulfer- crested TOO, slight chest plucking, has improved in last year greatly.. The people want $200,00 with cage, toys, and perch stand... Very friendly and cries very little. [They take him outside unharnessed??????] He's used to pit bulls and teenagers......This is in Bullhead City AZ, about a hundred miles from Las Vegas NV. we have a International Airport in Bullhead City. lol Please PM me for her number....Jays sold......

Thank You, Asal is beautiful, Thank you for the pictures! Jayd, Maggie, Spock and the flock...