I checked out the collapsible bird carrier Judy mentioned and think it will be just right for anytime my bird needs to have a sleepover with relatives. It's big and open enough so my grey can enjoy seeing everything but still be safe and confined if necessary. Thanks for the tip Judy!!!:silly: I ordered one, the large size, no shipping charges, love that;:kiss: also got a boing. God I need a bird!!!! 11/15 is so far away.