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Thanks for the information Dinkanber. It sounds like you hit the Mmmmmm Mmmmmm good button with your Grey on that new mix. :-) With 20 years under your belt with him, I would bet you have some interesting stories to tell and advice. Thanks again for the reply to my question!!

This is a good discussion on housing 2 Parrots of the same species together from the same Clutch. I brought Home 2 Grey's from 2 different Clutches at first, when we brought Dayo Home. The Clutches were only 1 week apart in birth-dates and had they been housed together there. I must say, I received the same reaction from many members here. But, it was my decision, I knew I could handle it and that they were already thriving together in one Cage. It ended up not working out though, as the other Grey we brought home started losing weight rapidly indicating it was not completely weaned yet. During the week we returned it to the breeder to finish weaning. We realized how much time Dayo was consuming and decided it would not be fair to them if we had to divide our time. :-) So we just kept Dayo. My point is, as LMG and others I know of that have successfully housed 2 Grey's in the same Cage with them remaining Tame and Loving to their owners. I know I have read several articles on how terrible the risk is of housing 2 Parrots in the same Cage. Also, all the negative possibilities it COULD have IF you let it remain that way. With this said. If housing them together in one Cage does not work out as they Mature. It is easy enough to purchase another cage and separate them. My Opinion is, there is no guarantee it won't work out or that it will. It depends on the Parrots and the Owner. :-) It would be interesting to see actual numbers on how many have tried and failed, versus how many were successful. With supporting data, a conclusion to a percent of 50/50 or 60/40 for example could be estimated.

That is a great list Kristin, thanks for posting it. It is also a good list of fruit to reference when grocery shopping for our Grey's. :-) I have looked everywhere for Cranberries, fresh and frozen in several stores and cannot find them. I can find blueberries, blackberries etc. frozen at all times and fresh sometimes, but just not Cranberries.... Are they only available seasonally??

I personally purchased Chet's DVD etc a year ago when I got my breeder/wild Conure and the DVD was useless in helping me learn anything worth while in taming him. I does show some ways of teaching a few tricks, but I would not recommend it to anyone. This is just my opinion, but he and his brother are not the experts they claim to be. If you find them helpful and enjoy them, then that is all that counts. :-)

Thanks for sharing the photos and information Percysmum!! I am excited for you!! :-) I know the feeling well....not long now for your bundle of joy to come home!!!

Hi Dinkanber, Since you have had you Grey for 20 years, I have a question, rather than any advice. :-) Has his wieght always been steady? What was/is his diet such as base food, veggies, fruit, bean/grain mixes etc.? With your years of experience, I am sure you can give some good advice too. Thanks for the Tip on this Zupreem mix, I will pick some up as another of the abundant foods to offer my Grey. :-) Dayo seems to like a little Zupreme fruity tropical.

Welcome back Monique!! :-) Now a Coyote Ugly sounds like a Blast as you described. It would be fun to attend in Vegas Oct 11th, but I for one cannot make it. :-( It would be a real Hoot if we could all attend one and socialize while having a good-time too!!! I don't suppose you got an incriminating photo's :evil: ....of yor clients, "OH", look John, here you are at the Coyote Ugly, now how big was the order you are going to place

judygram wrote: Thus, the reason I started this Topic. ;-) Believe it or not, you are all debating to a small extent right now!! :-) Debate does not mean making enemies. That only happens when ego and anger becomes involved. I personally learn a lot from debated topics and find that some opinions I had were unfounded and untrue, while others were correct. If the debate goes well, all involved will walk away with more knowledge and facts regarding the Topic. The most important thing is, if you don't want to take part in a topic being debated, just ignore it. There are a 1000 others topics you can read and post in. :-)

So, it does continue Monique :-) I think you may be discussing levels of Domestication, rather than if any animal or bird is Domesticated or not. You asked: “Would you consider Siegfred & Roy's tigers domestic?” Answer: Yes, I would. They were born and raised in captivity. But, they are still Tigers and retain all their instincts and capabilities. Just as any Human Domesticated Animal or Bird. You Wrote: “They are only one or two generations away from the wild and retain the traits of their wild ancestors. Only by rearing them very unnaturally do we come across a bird that can be kept within captivity” Answer: That is the exact description of Domestication. It is how Dogs, Cats, Cows, Chickens etc. have come to fall under the term “Domesticated”. Now, does Domesticated mean they are no longer what they were? They still retain their traits, instincts, physical capabilities etc. of their species to one extent or another. Which leads to the level of Domestication. Just a few levels of Domestication would be: [li]Unaltered - Retains all the physical traits as in Wild, but raised in captivity.[/li] [li]Altered – Has been selectively bred or cross bred to bring out some features and reduce others resulting in perhaps several physical and perhaps mental characteristics.[/li] [li]Genetically Altered – The science of today’s Genetic Engineers (Dblhelix) removing, adding altering the Genes.[/li] I think you may agree that an animal or bird of any type, if taken as baby from the Wild or Birthed in captivity, raised by Humans and socialized with them, are Domesticated to some level. :-)

I like the way you stair stepped it. PVC pipe, Glue?, some twine and your good to go. :-) Did you cement the joints or not?

We have a Gas Fireplace in our Family Room where our Parrots are kept. We use it during the Winter at times and have had no issues with it affecting the Parrots or other birds.

Interesting Mark, kind of like color and colour. Thanks for posting that! :-) I'm surprised one of our European/British members didn't tell us this. Unless they just smile and say "Yeah they still don't spell or pronounce our Words correctly" :lol: :silly: Back on Topic - So when doing a search on this topic, try using BOTH correct spellings. :-)

As Mark suggested and in reading what few scientific articles I could find. Just about everything can affect when the Moult takes place. Diet, Breeding (with Egg sitting), Temperature, Breed of Bird/Parrot, Daylight Length,Hormone Levels and only God knows what else. :-) I may very well be Tari, that your breeders Parrots sharing the same weather/temp, food/vitamins, daylight hours etc. are more likely to Moult in similar patterns/times....??? Not even the Scientists/Avian Vets can seem to bring it down to a time frame of Breed=moults every x +or- y weeks. So, who are we to say :silly: That's what is so great about this forum though. We learn so much from each others experiences with their Parrots. It gives us a very good broad baseline to work from. When evaluating if ours are healthy and normal, to a certain degree. :-)

Me Too - Good Topic Joe!! Of course, what do I not reply to, other than not looking in the "Women Only" in Off Topic Room. ;-)

Very Nice Joe. The artist is really doing a good job. Can't wait to see the finished version!! :-)

Welcome Steve! We will look forward to hearing more from you. It's good to hear you are enjoying this forum so far.

All the various types of birds and Parrots I have owned over the years did not seem to follow a specific seasonal pattern. Example: I had 23 Finches and they all moulted at different times. None seemed to be linked to a seasonal change. From what I can determine, through searches for information regarding moulting. The factors controlling moulting are not well understood, but are known to be complicated. Combinations of age, season, day length, hormone levels and breeding activity are involved in regulation of the moulting process. The moulting cycle for most birds is one year. Some birds have a twice yearly moult, while some large parrots have a two year moult cycle.

When Dayo is excited over one of us walking in after being gone, he definitely seems to blush. Once out and with us, it returns to normal very slight pinkness.

jawadsheikh wrote: You are very kind hearted rescuer Jawadsheikh. :-) The way you are setting them up with larger cages and providing the attention and love to them is commendable. Thanks for answering, I just wondered. B)

dblhelix wrote: I agree you 100% on this Mark. Very well thought out post. :-)

Alzazar is a fine looking CAG Toni. I'll bet you are in heaven right now. :-)

Hahahahahahaha - Thanks for the laugh Laurie!! :-) Learning to make phonetic sounds just like a small human baby. It's so funny when they replace a letter they haven't mastered yet.

YaY-YaY-YaY Judy's back!!!! No competing with you!!

I wonder if her power went down again? :ohmy: Judy's absence is always missed......it's so sad without her sunshine .... I just want to......

LOL Joe - You know a lot AND can build Playgrounds plus Cook!! Now that is hard to compete with :-)