Jayd

Everything you've stated is correct. Your very knowledgeable on many avian subjects with good solid backing, this is what the Grey Forums is all about.. Thanks Jay and Maggie

dave please make this a sticky we second it jay and maggie

This just shows how much you care. Do you have steptic powder? most good pet stores have it, great to have on hand....Thanks Jayd

If I may, remember Carpet fresh kills parrots, please be-careful.....Thanks Jayd

Thanks Wingy, Dave is a true Quaker expert, my opinion, if there wasn't to much blood loss and the baby is doing ok, I would just continue with her regular diet, if you wish you might want to give a little Powerade Zero [no sugar] for electrolytes, that's what we give our fids.[we feel it's better than Pedialyte] Doing a good job mama. Thanks Jay

Maggie here, writing for Jay... Yes, there advice is great, . Dave, egg's were for protein, nuts were for "EFA," Dave, Sir, I would never contradict you, I have to much respect for you so I deleted my post. Jayd

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Hi, [contact Dave007] If your Grey is 18 YR'S old, He's way past puberty. A Grey matures about the age of 4. Janet's right....

A number of our Zons are very good at ground foraging, sometimes you'll see a zon playing in a box or waddle into a paper bag.lol Zons are also very adept and curious, monkey see monkey do, so to explore the other side of a dog door is there built in ability to look for trouble. In a home tormentor, this is just one more toy...Of course, this isn't true in all cases. A zon toy: 1large box, cut a big door and let it flap and see if you Zon likes it, then sweep up the mess.....

I'm very sorry about. Sunny, Jay

Welcome and thank you. All the advice you've been given is worth it's weight in gold, if your baby was a breeder, you need to speak with Dave007, thank you again.

Greyt observation, better safe than sorry..Thank you...Jay

Joe here, this is silly, Mr Jay wants to ask Babe [Maggie] to make this thread a "Sticky".... Done,...Can I go now?

Please let it be known that if you wish to continue to post on this forum you will act accordingly the same way you expect other to towards you. In two paragraphs you started them by :No i will not ...I am going to say this one more time, And I was referring to myself [Jay] and how you spoke to me....Your opinion is respected and valued, but other people who might be educated more than you, might also have a opinion and they expect you to respect theirs also. Quote:im no stranger to animal training, i took my rottweiler to a Schultzhund III title.unquote, I'm think that wonderful and I'm very proud of you and your accomplishment, the problem is, Dog training has no place in the avian world, it is not used,they are to completely psychologically different creatures...I told you I felt you have a lot to offer this forum, I also feel you still have a lot to learn, so please open your mind and listen to some of these Greyt people, see what they have to offer, by doing this, we all learn..carlsjr, go to "Off Topic's" and do some posts about your dogs, I'd love to read them and learn from them.... There is no Alpha Dog in the parrot world, nor is there one here on the Grey Forums... Jayd

carlsjr, I gave you the benefit of letting you say what ever you wanted to or about me, I fell on my sword to let you look good in hopes that you would realize you were coming on a little strong, please heed my advice, do not take this liberty on other members... with that said: The Cherry heads and other conures of the documentary wer injured by predators and other mishaps, when a parrot in the wild is sick or injured, other birds will harass them sometimes up until death....This is not a dog or lion or other forum, it is a parrot forum and avian training techniques are used and practiced here. Positive punishment is abusive and is never condoned or practiced on our parrots. Your opinion is respected, not your attitude.

Joe here, Hay Babe, looking good...[woo-woo]

Trouble maker[hehe] Lets say no one has a clue as to what type of Zon this is? This baby is young meaning it could be [TA-DA] a Yellow-crown, yellow-nape, blue-front, orange-wing etc, or even a hybrid...lol Jayd Note: A Yellow-nape used to be called a "Single Yellow-head" !!!

I'm happy that we both agree. Excess is the culprit..Thanks carlsjr.....Jay

Facts: Here's some, African Greys should not be fed a diet that is high in fat and protein. A lean diet is recommended as recent studies have indicated heart disease and arteriosclerosis occuring in Greys in their late teens and twenties. Avocado and chocolate are considered toxic for birds and sugar and salt should be avoided. http://www.africangreys.com/articles/relationships/close_heart.html] http://www.biomedsearch.com/article/Plasma-osmolality-reference-values-in/262691231.html SALT Consumption can cause excess drinking and urinating, depression, neurologic hyperactivity, tremors, and death. When necropsied, birds with excessive consumption of salt have a great deal of fluid buildup in the brain and are hemorrhaging. Remember, a bird eating one potato chip with salt is comparable to our eating 50 chips! Fact, Parrots excrete salt in a different way then humans.. Where a banana is grow determines the nutrient composition..They are not the same. Coconut water is also a diuretic With this said lets re frame from calling people "Dude" and please follow your own advice. Please believe what you wish, just remember it could turn around and bite you on your rear Dude... http://www.africangreys.com/articles/nutrition/calcium.htm

OT but interesting https://www.google.com/search?q=do+bananas+have+seeds&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

ROFLMAS Sorry Nancy lol, That was a funny story nothing more than for amusement...lol This post is ot!!!! lol There's no scares on my face..lol My face might be ugly, but there's photos of my face on this forum, check them out, no scares...

Hi, for those interested, here's the research I did for the University about 2 years ago,. Small, young birds should not be fasted preoperatively due to poor glycogen storage in the liver. Adults should only be fasted 2-4 hours. It is very important that an accurate weight be taken to calculate dosages. Avoid hypothermia, which depresses the respiratory system. If possible, a circulating warm water blanket should be used. ANATOMIC CONSIDERATIONS The larynx is at the base of the tongue and is easily visualized; All birds large enough should be intubated whether or not gas anesthesia is used. The air sacs provide 4-6 times the lung capacity and the tidal volume is larger than mammals of comparative size (about 15 mL/kg). Air sac rupture can occur with over-inflation. The diaphragm does not completely separate the thorax from the abdomen; Therefore, positive pressure ventilation needs to be provided whenever the abdomen (or thorax) is opened. The bird must be positioned so that the breast can move inward and outward without restriction to allow the air sacs to fill. Because the lungs are attached to the ribs, and it is the movement of the ribs that acts as a bellows to fill the lungs, the bird will suffocate if the ribs are disconnected from the lungs. With gas anesthesia, induction and recovery are more rapid since gas exchange occurs both on inspiration and expiration. Drug Isoflurane 3-4% for induction 5-2% for maintenance Maintenance requires the use of a calibrated vaporizer recommended Halothane 2.5-3.0% for induction 1-2% for maintenance Maintenance requires the use of a calibrated vaporizer Drug Dosage/Route Species/Comments Butorphanol 2-3 mg/kg IM Q 4-6 hrs.; 1 mg/kg IM Q 4-6 hrs African Grey Parrots/Psittacines: Reduces Isoflurane requirement; Heart rate reduced but no apnea; Respiratory rate increases Ketamine/Meditomidine 3-5 mg/kg(K) + 50-100mcg/kg (M) IM 2-4 mg/kg (K) + 25-75 mcg/kg (M) IV Raptors: Induction 2-7 min. IM and 10-30 seconds IV; Induction period calm, respirations regular; Owls are especially susceptible to anesthetic effects; Spontaneous recovery in 10-20 minutes; Reversal with atipamezole –very rapid 3-7 mg/kg (K) + 75-150 mcg/kg (M) IM 2-5 mg/kg (K) + 50-100mcg/kg (M) IV Psittacines: Same induction and recovery times as raptors

Thank you Nancy.

Nancy, you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Birds!!! Your a human nurse!!! Who's Zoey? Birds don't have teeth!!! Copy==Parrots are not humans or k9's or felines! Giving anesthesia is at best a 50/50% chance of losing your parrot!!! I personally seen as many die as live. I don't know how many times this has been said "A parrot is not a Kid"!!!!!I'm tired of you giving mis-info!!! You might be a good nurse but you need to brush up on the parrot world.. I'm tired of you PMing me, I'm tired of you wanting me to join you so we can argue on the forum. You've done a good job on your thread in "4 the birds", stick to what you know about....Nancy, there's 2 sides to every story, so far I've been quiet, but know more!!!! Jayd To all members, I apologize, for my out burst, but you don't know whats been happening behind the scenes.

Parrots are not humans or k9's or felines! Giving anesthesia is at best a 50/50% chance of losing your parrot!!! I personally seen as many die as live. I don't know how many times this has been said "A parrot is not a Kid"!!!!!