Jayd

$2000.00, lets see, if the water machine eliminates doctor/vet visits to the order of lets say 10 cold flu visits with treatment, any type of cancer in any member of your family, any number of parrot illness's or death, it's quite cheap, besides it clears you skin too. In our case, 10 fid check-ups a year is almost twice that. Thanks Jayd

Hi, you might want to try Extra Virgin Olive oil, parrots tolerate it better than other oils. EVOL is similar to Red palm oil, it has the second highest Vit A content....Please, I don't mean this bad, we have 2 crack birds, this is something you never want to see. Thanks Jayd

Choosing a Grey is "Like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get" Whats important is what you do after you get it.....

There's no question about the fact your doing good. I reread your posts and threads and whats going on is a little clearer, Let me explain.... [some clarifications: Toweling is a accepted means of handling a parrot, I don't do it or advise it unless it's the only way to prevent harm.] With Rosie being over 4 yr's old, she's entering her Mature stage, from this point on a grey slows down [in general] kind of kicks back and enjoy themselves and the life they've carved out for them. Rosie is a very sly and intelligent Grey, she knows what she wants and how to get it, she manipulates to get what she wanted and knows how much she has to give to get it. Shes one self sufficient bird. You are doing everything she wants you to do and she's giving back no more than she knows she has to. Greys are different from each other, to a point, a lot of research has been put into the psychology of a Grey, a lot of things are general facts as I've written. Your Rosie doesn't need rehab, she needs re-training before she becomes to set in her ways. As things stand right now you'll find there will be things that won't be changed, From this age forward it becomes harder to not only train, but to break bad habits. You need to be more challenging with her, offer to her your finger not to the cage. Use your finger/hand not your shoulder/ head. Sometimes we forget just how advanced the thinking process is, Rosie has you figured out, she can sense your fear of being bitten. I'm going to stop here, everything I've stated in my posts can be verified on the net, Rehabbing, rescuing and re-homing has been my life's work. Thank you Jayd

I'm sorry, no ill intent was meant. I've always known of your care and concern for our feathered friends and animals in general. Jay

To many Greys, the cage is a scared place, to some, they become very territorial. Before bonding, you need to build trust, this is basically done by getting your parrot used to what they'll be around on a daily basis. The general way of doing this is by leaving the cage door ope, sitting in a chair with out attempting to use touch, always waiting for the Grey to make the first move, all members of the family does this. A Grey will choose who they bond with and when. If you present a fore head or large toe or some other part of you body that your Grey will have very little contact with is defeating the whole purpose of touch. To present your forehead with the intent of saying "if your going to bite me, it's okay to bite me hear" your also training your Grey that your forehead will always be " first point of contact". A positive approach to trust training would be that after sitting by the open cage door talking, reading to your baby you take a treat and place it just inside the cage, let them come to it giving verbal praise, keep this up. On another visit, place your hand and rest i in the cage, read or sing until the day happens that your hand is approached. then go from there. Do not use false means to build trust and bonding, it will bite you in the rear every time. Always treat your Grey with respect. All things take time, especially with living with a Grey.. Since Rosie is a re-home, she pretty much knows what the routine is, what you need to do is find out what parts of the routine is liked and disliked..you need to make more positive actions, right now, Rosies content with whats happening, you need to go to the next level.....

A bonding technique that has been around for many years is to take the parrot into a darkened bed room sit on the bed placing the fid near you, then just spending time together letting the bird explore you. When spending bonding time, the cage door should always be open, not "through the bars", to much between the bars can lead to the only way anything will happen is through the bars. Do the same thing your doing but with the door open at your birds pace.....

I know you miss Sully. Thats good that your not afraid, but please be concerned. The attitude from zon to zon varies from no attitude to when is it going to stop. The mating dance of a Amazon is some what different than a lot of parrots, The zon will squat down the front part of their body raising their rear, they'll squirm and wiggly in the most loving and cuddly way while cooing. A zon can lay a egg at 2 yr's of age. [As every one knows you must ignore them at this stage.] I would think that if Louie was going to show any bad tendencies, you would have seen them by now. If a zon has what I call a "Ancestral mating attitude" it can be very pronounced, violent/aggressive, to not just biting hard but to a full facial attack. If this is the type of zon a person has, it's best to keep them cage bound and handled with a step-up stick, understanding that all things pass. Some times no mater how much love or care or concern we can give our zons heredity still plays a major roll. Rays Cricket is a sweet heart, our Salsa is of "Undetermined " nature, but we love them. Lets say, Talon, Janet, Ray p and Maggie all lived next to each other, they a got a zon from the same breeder, same parents, raised the same way, same cage etc. There would be many similarity's but the chance of personality/mating attitude could be so different, they would be unrecognizable. This isn't caused by the caretakers, but because of heredity....

Thank you Janet, what you've said is so true and so important, each human is unique, and I believe it is just as strong in a Amazon. They have been stereotyped more so than others. Groupings of Amazon's in their natural habitats range from small to large, with many flocks in a small area. They tend to live by humans to get a free ride utilizing wasted food products and with a second benefit of living with a large group that offers protection from predators. These zons learn to speak and interact with their native adoptive families. When a zon or pair of zon's move on to another flock, they learn the ways of the new flock and the interactions of the new native group. Each time they move on they learn these new nuances and languages. So you can see a zon can learn to speak many dialects, and get along with many different groups. Because of this natural trait, in captivity they can survive re-homing and uprooting with success than many other parrots can't. They have their demands, but with time they learn to share.......

Many species of parrots are known for certain traits. For example: A Hyacinth Macaw is known as a true lover and cuddler. A Grey is known for astuteness and intellect. A Quaker is known as the "Evil Green Chicken" hahaha..Au nauseum, etc. It is no wonder that a large number of different 'ZONS will not only display different traits and demeanor's from species to species but also within specific species themselves. A good example is the "Hot 3". You can compare common similarities from species to species and from owner to owner but as you go down the line of similarities, they will vary from bird to bird. For example: two of the three might be ornery. One of the three might be a good eater. Two of the three might be good talkers. Taking this into account with the over 30 different species of Amazons and you won't ever be able to say with any certainty that this is how any given species is and only able to say maybe they are like that. There are just too many variables with the majority of variables being outside influence. You have heard the saying "You are what you eat". Regarding the 'ZONS, it is "You are who you live with".:cool:

Dave gave me this same info along time ago, it works........

This is a very good post, thank you......We have 9 fid's [1 won't] at this point in time that eat with each other.

YEA YEA YEA!!!!!!!!!!! ZON'S unite....Thanks Ray your a good Papa

Ionized water is water that has been run through electrolysis. Ionized water has not been shown to have any special effects on the human body. Safe for marine fish tanks...

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This is fine, thank you. Water bottles, Birds are slow drinkers, a little water goes a long way as opposed to a Hamster etc. This cause a major health problem, contamination which in turn can cause germ growth and other health issues, they can become a virtual breeding ground in as little as a half hour under ideal condition's... Bowls are safer.....If a water bottle is used it should be changed hourly 24/7... Even bowls need to be changed 2 or 3 times a day...Remember, a water bottle has no air transfer.....

To take this a step further, if a vet has to remove a hair strand that is stopping circulation, it's done by cutting.....A parrot can get "Hair balls" [string balls, fiber balls etc] This can lead to blockage and even death.

Thank you so much, this thread is long over due. Where and how can we obtain what is need to get one of these systems? Where can we find more info?.......

Lest we forget, misting is a stimulus to mate.....Longer days with more sun in the sky, warmer weather, misty showers, a rise in humidity, soft warm food = love to our Greys and parrots. Some parrots like you to put a little water in a shallow pan with fresh parsley for bathing.....They roll in it and play..... We have a ritual now, I [gooney bird] get in the middle of the bed, with our fids around me and Maggie sprays us all. we get into some fights, nothing bad..[big plucked turkey in the middle]

The chances of you baby doing that is nil, but the chance of getting a strand wraped around a leg is very high.[Hair cuts] It's best to keep your fid out of long hair and check for this possibility.

Opinion vs facts, facts always rule. In the ideal world all birds would be able to trust each other as well trusting humans, this isn't so or even possible, each parrot, each human have so many variables not counting outside interferences, the variables are too great. Bird to bird, develop tolerances to each other, and on rare occasions birds of different species will bond on a one to one basis, not as a group. A misconception of bonding have a lot of people believing that when a parrot bonds with a human, the parrot will no longer have anything to do with another human, this isn't true, only in a mating bond, grey to grey, doe's this happen. A example would be that human #1 would receive maximum amount of attention and devotion with all other humans receiving lessor amounts. In most case's of multiple bird home's of different species, depending on the kind of parrot, they will tolerate each other, with some species, they will totally ignore each other, this isn't trust, but attitude, nature if you wish, they could care less about each other. To get your parrots to eat out of the same bowl at the same time isn't trust, it's training. The largest problem with understanding human/parrot relationship is remembering that their two different entities and must be treated as such, avian and human psychology are not the same, yes, there's similarity's, good for comparison but not for practice, you don't use human psychology on a parrot or vise-versa. The only being who benefits from "Being Taller" is the person who believes this myth, if this was true, than the simple fact that we as humans are bigger than a parrot would have the same effect.....What ever we do, we have to do it more than once or twice to more than one bird, and we really need to research what we might believe in just to see if it's fact or fiction.............

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Are we aware??????:confused: Chronic respiratory disease: Chronic respiratory disease results in weight loss and depression. This may be caused by fungal or bacteria organisms and/or low vitamin A in the diet. Keeping your bird in a clean environment, and giving it an excellent well balanced diet will help prevent this problem. Fatty liver syndrome: Fatty liver syndrome is caused by feeding an all seed diet. This can be prevented by feeding an excellent well-balanced diet that includes fruits, vegetables, legumes, and nuts. Cloacal papillomas: Cloacal papillomas are seen as a reddish lump protruding from the vent. They cause straining/bleeding when passing bowel movement. Papillomas need to be removed surgically. Malignant and benign cancerous lumps: If appropriate, lumps may be removed surgically. Feather picking is common: Feather picking is common in Amazon parrots. It can be caused by poor nutrition or physical illnesses. Again, a well-balanced excellent diet with a clean environment will help prevent these problems and improve your bird’s wellness. Feather picking can also be caused by behavioral issues. They need to have a rotation of toys and social interaction with the family to prevent feather plucking from boredom. Occasionally, loss of a companion bird or a family member will initiate feather picking. Yes, you good Parront's are always aware;)