Dave007

I understand what you're saying. But so far, no one has answered the questions I asked. I never asked what a particular person's personal feelings or opinions were concerning the quality of a particular brand be it be better or not. I never asked about how the food is made up in a house was better or not. ( brick style or other). I never asked about astronauts. A newbie or novice bird owner hasn't yet gotten to the point of deeply studying about different foods. About the only thing they've accomplished so far is making a strong long lasting connection to good vets who are supposed to be giving good professional advice. They're depending upon their vets .And they've also learned to ask opinions of other bird owners.. A person will ask if anyone knows how to get their bird to switch over from Brand A to Brand B. Another person says that their bird doesn't take to Brand B but instead likes Brand C. Because of word of mouth, the person is unhappy about that because Brand B is suppose to be.more nutritious. So I'll copy and paste what I just asked.... """""Now to bring in the professionals----Vets. All of these vets are very good vets. A person goes to one Vet and he says Brand A is the best. Another person goes to another vet and he says that Brand B is the best. Another person goes to another vet and he says that Brand C is the best. One bird refuses Brand A but likes Brand C. Another bird refuses Brand B but likes Brand A. Another bird refuses Brand C but likes Brand B. So, this is question is .. 1---Which vet is right? 2---Which vet is wrong? After all, all the vets are good vets with good reputations. 1--Will the bird that uses Brand A, as opposed to B, or C be healthier? 2--Does attitude, friendliness, plummage or lack of have anything to do with what they're eating or not eating? Do you really think 1---that the bird who is eating Brand A or Brand B or Brand C is really eating that brand because it's supposed to be healthier or 2-- or is it because the bird simply likes it?"""""""" I'll add two more questions... 1--If a person's bird refuses to eat the brand/brands that's more recommended, does that person have to live in fear that his/her bird will not be as healthy nor live as full a life as opposed to other birds that eat the more recommended brand/brands? 2--If you do find that there's problems that exist, what's your solutions? Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/11 02:48<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/11 04:45

c_s_k22 See what I mean? Believe it now??

You should spray them about greys about 2 times a week , 3 times when they're molting but I doubt that the spraying you're about to do will have any effect on the tail feathers. It's been spoken about in past threads but I'll say it again..tail feathers and flight feathers fall out periodically all through the year. There's no way to tell when that's gonna happen. Basically, it's one or two feathers when it does happen. Most of the time, the flight feather/feathers will fall out only on one side of the body. When your grey loses it's next tail feather, don't be surprised if it's only one feather and don't be surprised if it's three feathers or two feathers. There's never any set amount. The same applies to flight feathers. Don't be surprised when you see the feather being helped by the bird to fall out. They have a pyrogial gland that's right in the area of the tail feathers and when they extract the oil there, sometimes a loose or dead tail feather also falls out.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/10 18:45

I'd like to say something about bird food especially well known brand name foods. To make this simple I'll call then Brand A--Brand B---Brand C. Lets say that Brand B is most frequently talked about through word of mouth. A person will ask if anyone knows how to get their bird to switch over from Brand A to Brand B. Another person says that their bird doesn't take to Brand B but instead likes Brand C. Because of word of mouth, the person is unhappy about that because Brand B is suppose to be.more nutritious. Now to bring in the professionals----Vets. All of these vets are very good vets. A person goes to one Vet and he says Brand A is the best. Another person goes to another vet and says that Brand B is the best. Another person goes to another vet who says that Brand C is the best. One bird refuses Brand A but likes Brand C. Another bird refuses Brand B but likes Brand A. Another bird refuses Brand C but likes Brand B. So, this is question is ..which vet is right? which vet is wrong? After all, all the vets are good vets 1--Will the bird that uses Brand A, B, or C be healthier? 2--Does attitude, friendliness, plummage or lack of have anything to do with what they're eating or not eating? 3--Do you really think that 1---the bird is eating Brand A or Brand B or Brand C is really eating that brand because it's supposed to be healthier or 2-- or is it because the bird simply likes it? There are also many brands of food that aren't commercially advertised that are just as good as those other brands. I believe that the hype about bird food is just that, hype and I also believe that people are unnecessarily putting their stomaches into knots concerning concerning the value of all the different foods that are available and I believe that people shouldn't worry so much about the recommendations of vets when that recommendation just won't work. I've seen people go to other vets simply because that recommendation isn't the same as what was suggestedthrough word of mouth.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/09 23:12

Lots of people put TV on when they leave the house for long periods of time. Usually, the nickolodien station is recommended. People do that so the bird is involved in something that lessens boredom and many times it actually works. I never saw an agitated bird before concernin TV. Never heard a bird complain about what was on TV. Never heard a bird that asked that the channel be changed but your friend's situation is different. You say that both pairs are breeding birds. Tell your friend to avoid any xxx TV material. That stuff is noisy and can stimulate the birds. 2 pairs of breeders?? That's double trouble, they might might get into swapping. It's also called swinging.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/08 20:23

Greys usually don't get worms but when they do it's usually somwthing that was passed down from the parents. This also applies to other parrots, especially Amaxzons which also rarely get worms. A vet makes sure that the bird actually has worms and then usually gives the bird some medication which is put in the water. The length of the treatment usually lasts about 2 to 4 weeks. You would be wise to get to a vet who will de-worm him cause parasites multiply rapidly. It's hard to tell whether your African Grey has a bad case of them,but if left untreated, there could fatal. Worms don't usually show up until a bird is an adult. Also, double check whether those worms are actually coming from the grey as opposed to them just being in the vacinity. Ask your friend to do the same thing. Get to a vet to get a positive response and diagnosis. PS--I should have explained about the parents...Sometimes, a bird can have worms but those worms will remain in the larve stage and sometimes when that larve stage of worms is passed, the larve can develop into the worm stage but sometimes they never develop to that extent. It can also happen to the parents as far as larve growing to the visible worm stage. Sometimes they do, sometimes not. If you know anything about catapillers, you'd understand better. Catapillers go thru the same thing outdoors. That's why periodically, people have an investation of worms they can see but in other years the people will never actually see the catapillers because they don't fully develop.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/08 18:54

Well, there's actually no perfect woman that exists but who knows, checking out all the used material will help the inexperienced man realize that there aren't any perfect specimins available. It shows a man's good characteristic--he's not lazy and will try to accomplish the impossible. <br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/08 05:32

My pleasure. Women are always looking for that perfect man who will do the perfect thing at the perfect time in the perfect place on the perfect day but never the same perfect way. They enjoy a variety of perfection.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/08 02:27

Glad to hear it. Use that stuff on other parts of body when you see raw, irritated skin. It'll work the same way..sink right in and be absorbed. Tonight, if you have a date and wish to show the soft side of your personality just put some on your hands and the other person will think you care about caressing very softly.

Depression, Well, has anything dramatic happened in the house? Have you tried any physcological visits for a proper diagnosis? Does it seem like he has a very low opinion of himself? Has he recently been spurned? It's possible that the up and coming elections are having a very negative effect on his moral views. Does he stare out into the sky and realize that the world is a very different place than what he originally believed. He might just be extremely sad because he misses that swashbuckling pirate that used to live in your house. He may have felt like a Capt.Hook type of parrot but realizes it was all a game so yes, it's possible that depression has set in for a visit. Bear with it.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/08 00:17

To add on to what Judy says..if it's necessary for your bird to have a soft type cushion area in the tray because of improper balance and falling off, remove the grating if possible and take an old towel you no longer use and put it in the tray. Then cover up the towel with a few sheets of newspaper. That way, the towel won't get as dirty quickly and will provide a soft bottom. Corn cob is not a good idea because it holds bacteria and that bacteria can multiply in corn cob or wood shavings.

In the system message, it should show you what section the event ( any event ) is happening. Sometimes, it even tells who the moderator is of that particular board. I think the one you're talking about is in OTHER BIRDS section The contest should be New contest (Wet Bird) Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/06 23:30<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/06 23:32

you just need some soothing ointment that will immediately sink into the skin.. Get some 100% aloe vera gel in a pharmacy--cost--$5 color is clear Non toxic if swallowed can be used on any area of body that has irritation or rawness on it. will disappear into the skin within 5 minutes only a small light coating is necessary Many times, feet/legs/toes get raw when new scales are coming in.

It's very possible that when she tries to scratch the side of face/lower forehead with that collar on, she's not as accurate in her aim with her claws or the tip/rim of the collar is diverting those claws and they're hitting the area you mention. That area is one of the most common and frequently scratched areas on the parrot and even though that collar might physically stop her from plucking , it can't stop her natural desire to scratch at areas which have constant minute airborne particles landing on face/nose/lower top of head. PS--take a damp tissue and lightly wipe those areas<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/06 03:54

Ok, get a small toy attached to a thin piece of string. Put the toy near him when he's on the floor. Slowly drag the toy away and see if he'll follow it. He might want to play with it. """but my friends keep telling me he will feel alot better tomorrow""" Is he ill right now? When he's on the floor, pick him up and pet him. You still didn't answer about why *he hits the floor really hard*. How old is he and does he know how to fly at all? If you're having problems with him hitting the foor hard, think about putting an area rug about 5 ft x 7 ft and put it in the area where he's dropping down on. It's possible that he might injure himself by bouncing off the floor

Why does he hit the floor really hard? Too short a wing clipping? What does he do when he's on the floor, just stand in one spot without walking around at all? You got a reason for putting him on the floor, training him to step up? ""but when i put him in the cage he climbing too his food bar but when i put him on the floor he really doesnt wanna walk at all.."" Maybe, you can be more specific about what you mean? One thing in that sentence doesn't seem to have anything to do with the other thing in that same sentence.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/04 18:48

Seamus and Smokey are extremely good friends. The dog has been fascinated with Smokey since he popped out of the egg. Seamus used to come to the table while my wife and I were hand feeding--He used to plop his face on the table and watch the whole process. Many times, he fell asleep watching the feeding. The dog is extremely protective of Smokey. He used to sit in front of Smokey's cage and if strangers approached, he'd give out a warning type of low growl. There was never any training for Smokey to go on his tail. They just know each other since both were very young. Smokey is now 8 and Seamus is now 9

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And to add on to what Dan said, patience is very important here. If you have an older adult bird who's never used a harness before, expect him/her to take much longer to get used to it. As far as an adult bird goes, most likely, he/she will try to bite at the harness with intensity when it's on but the most important thing you need to watch out for is that the bird might start pulling the feathers around the harness. Just keep your eyes open for any temporary mutilation that might occur. Also watch out for the bird biting you. An older bird can get very angry concerning a harness. I'm only telling you this because unfortunately many adult birds just won't ever take to a harness but I wouldn't want a person to think it was their fault when something like this happens. It's the bird, not the person.

Hi It was a very good idea about putting that video. It helps your problem alot. I personally think that you're totally mistaking what the situation is. First of all he's not squeeling. In the video, you're giving the bird nice attention and then walking away. The bird grabs ahold of the side bar and makes a sound which can be classified as a tweeting for lack of a better word. In other words *hey, come back and continue what you were doing* Then you go back and give him peanuts which he loves ( nuts are a favorite treat of parrots). After he eats it, he's on the side of the cage and tweeting at you again because he's saying the exact same thing as before. You come bach and start giving nice attention again and he wants more. Actually, it's your fault because after tweeting,you keep going back to give more attention and afterward he tweets again. I really don't know if you consider what he's doing as being a problem. Many people wouldn't. He's focused on you because of your attention to him. If he was also friendly with another person in your house and that person also did the same thing that you're doing, I'm sure that he would tweet again. You could compare what's happening to as the same thing that happens to other people when their bird screeches for long periods of time. I don't know if you've ever heard an african grey which it continually screeches or squawks. It's not pleasent for the human ear. Most greys don't do that but some do. It has a lot to do with a lack of attention to the bird. Some people are told to cover the bird. Some people are told to go to the bird and continuosly say *no*. Some people are told to walk away from the bird and totally ignore the continous loud annoying screeching. Some times all of these different things work and sometimes none of these things work because the bird has finally learned how to get the person's attention so the person keeps coming back time and time again. From what I saw, there is no problem. You're talking to giving treats to the bird and he wants you to continue and he lets you know by making sounds. I'm sorry that you think it's a problem but if you do and want it to stop, you'll have to stop giving the bird that nice attention which includes talking and giving treats. You can also let that bird out of the cage and have some things around that he can entertain himself with. A playstand is ideal for that too. To sum it up, it's you're fault because you're giving the bird love, affection and topping it off with treats. PS--I'd like to ask you something..I think I recognise your voice or there's someone out in the UK that has a duplicate voice. Are you the person that had a number of videos done with another african grey which were extremely funny but more than likely, You Tube might have asked you to remove them??? Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/03 19:06<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/03 19:08

It wasn't meant to be brilliant, just logical. I'm only trying to show that birds can adjust to towels when used for other things besides grabbing him or corraling them. Each of my birds who are being petted on my lap show me their deep appreciation by taking a dump on me. The only thing they associate those towels with is sitting with me. They also know that each towel can be chewed, punctured, pulled at and shredded which is what they do when I stop petting them for a little while. They do that ( and this is a true fact ) simply to get my attention to continue petting. Each knows that I don't like them ripping up the towels.

One day, I had a grey on my arm and I went into the bathroom by the sink.The mirror was right there. He saw himself in the mirror, fluffed up and tried to bite the reflection in the mirror. When he didn't succeed, he bit me. I don't know if he felt that it was a rival for my attention or whether he just didn't like the idea of seeing the bird who was staring at him. He fluffed up ready to fight and the bird in the mirror fluffed up ready to fight. I never tried to figure it out. I just don't bring him in front of mirrors.

Hi so you don't confuse what happened with Alex and your bird.....Alex had a sudden, unexpected event associated with arterosclerosis ("hardening of the arteries"). It was either a fatal arrhythmia, heart attack or stroke, which caused him to die suddenly with no suffering. Those and other types of deaths do happen to parrots before they actually reach their official life span. She gave the bird including 2 other birds ( 1 grey, 1 amazon) that are presently in training many different types of food and the change in diet had nothing to do withj his death. He had a complete necropsy done after he passed. He was 31 yrs old As far as the syringe feeding, didn't your vet actually show you how to do it properly. If not, call him and tell him your problem and then suggest that you come in with the bird to be shown if you don't understand his directions.<br><br>Post edited by: Dave007, at: 2008/05/02 20:01

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