Dave007

More than likely they were dark green and it wasn't worms you're talking about---what you saw was fecal matter which can come out in different colors depending on the food type and it's color or a combination of both. Fecal matter can be red, beige, green, light green, dark green, brown etc etc Most of the time the fecal matter is solid and looks like a worm.

What color were the worms and did you see them moving around?

########Is she too young for hormonal induced feather picking? ######### Yes she is too young plus most greys don't necessarily pluck when they're hormonal. People never talk about their birds who don't pluck when that time comes. It only comes up in conversation when the bird is plucking at that stage. That in turn makes people feel that this is a normal and common event and people do get frightened. As far as that item above---only use 2x a day and discard whatever's left at night. When mixing with water, make sure to shake up mister well so that all lumps in the powder break up so that the mister won't get clogged.

http://www.avitec.com/Feather-In-AntiPick-Treatment-p/fi.htm This link is for the product called Feather-In AntiPick Treatment. Make sure you get the powder container ( 8oz or 16oz) The product comes with it's own tiny scoop. This powder will last a very long time {Approx 1 yr or more) and it should always be in the home in case of periodic feather problems. The product is a bit expensive but since you only have one bird, the 8 oz size will suffice. 1 teaspoon =4 scoops.

Yeah, you're very right and don't forget that no matter where they lived in the past---They never forget. They simply store it away in their closet. Everything is cool for a number of years and all of a sudden out of no where----!!Fuc** You!!

Smokey has always been a dog lover ever since my pointer used to put his head and face on the table and watch me or my wife hand feeding Smokey. Eventually, he'd fall asleep in that position. Smokey was approx. 6/7 wks old and would have him in a small shoe box on the kitchen table when feeding him. The dog was fascinated. Eventually, they became very close buddies as the pics will show. So, one day, my wife's sister comes over with her toy poodle. The dog was only about 8/9 lbs. Smokey is on his cage, sees the dog, flies down close to her and says very calmly " lets screw". I don't know where he got that although I have an idea who said that around him. So anyway, the dog gets frightened, backs up to the owner and is shaking a bit. Smokey turns around, walks away and says "oh well" My dog and Smokey were partners in crime. They were like glue. Smokey got very down when the dog died 11 yrs later. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/DaveVP/Copyofseamusmakesagoodperch.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/DaveVP/Copy2oftellingasecret-2.jpg

My grey Smokey has a few choice phrases---says them when he feels like it and sometimes says them at the wrong time son of A BITCH!!!!! Missiouri SUCKS!!' Hey, shut your damn mouth and a few other things. True Story About 10 yrs ago, when we moved to PA, we had a neighbor who lived next to us. She was a very nice woman although she was a bit manic. Very nervous and high spirited. Always rushing and rushing. Very intense. She was also an artist who made crystal glass with all sorts of art designs that she put in. So on the very first day that we invited her over to our house, a crazy thing happened. At that time Smokey's cage was behind the couch so a person who sat down faced the front and he was behind. He could be heard but not seen. Anyway, this woman named Martha came over, saw Smokey and didn't make much of it. She sat down on the couch and my wife got some soda and gave her a glass. She was holding the glass, sipping it when all of a sudden Smokey yells out with lots of emotion. It was the first thing he said after she came in. YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!! Martha jumped, spilled the soda, slid down the couch to the floor and immediately screams out ( with fear in her voice) " Oh my God, what did I do. Is that what he thinks of me? Oh Jeez, I'm getting out of here". She really took off. We were laughing and laughing. Well, it took us 3 weeks of talking and explaining things to her before she got the courage to come back in the house. From that point on she always had her eye on him and constantly told him " Smokey, you're a nice guy"' To this day, my wife and I plus my son have big smiles when we think back to that incident.

Great news! You're one of the lucky ones. How did you find him?

A hypothetical------A person decides that after hearing different people talking about chipping their parrots decides to do it. He feels wonderful. He remembers doing it to his dog which is a domestic animal. The lost dog wants to only come home after running away. Basically, he's lost and people eventually spot him, leash him and call the phone tag hanging from his neck and the owners come and get him. The dog is thrilled by getting home==the owner is thrilled to have him home.. Now back to the parrot who is a wild animal. Big difference between the two. The bird flies away into an area where he feels comfortable, for example, trees, branches or other things high up. Parrots as ell as other birds like to be high up. He may fly far or not. The search is on. Different methods are used in order to coax him/her to come home. ---No luck. So now I come along and for some reason the bird happens to finally come to an area and I can catch the bird which I do. I look at the bird and he seems to be in great shape. After all, why go to a vet when the bird looks in great shape? I decide to keep him. I have no desire to have him checked out for a previous owner. so, as far as I'm concerned the bird is mine. Remember the term---Finders, keepers. Now for reality---for each bird that's caught and eventually goes home, there's at least 100 that never do because they're wild animals who are in an environment which closely resembles the environment that natue has told them to live in. This scenario doesn't happen to all excapees, especially the ones that decide to stay close to their homes. In the past, loads and loads of people here who/ve had their birds chipped, lose their birds and are never seen again.Years ago, Dan had a bird that escaped and luckily he was able to come across people who returned him. The bird was caught 90 miles away. Even today, he's amazed that his bird was found and more importantly was returned. There are animals--dogs, cats, Yes. Wild birds ? You decide.

Basically, compare it to cuddling. Getting warmth and reassurance from you. Showing a bit of love. She's just left a clutch in which she shared all of the above with other chicks. Everyone was fluffy, bumping into each other. Sleeping up against each other. All parrots are flock animals. Now she's alone and still looking for those things. Continue those things but as time goes on, it won't be a good idea to touch very sensitive areas which will be eventually turn into sexual stimulation which is a no no.

This is a long reply--- There's just too many individual factors that aren't mentioned in this survey. I personally don't think anyone can learn or do anything concerning their grey simply because all greys are individuals and many greys ( even the same bird) do a million things in the survey and a million things that the survey doesn't cover. Take wild caught---many people don't even know what that means even though that terminology is still used today. That practice stopped 20 yrs ago. There are no specific factors or any type of help that can apply to specific greys as far as people owning them and I will say owned until they start paying the rent, mortgage, and putting food on the table. Then they can own me when and if that day ever happens. What does #13 have to do with anything? #32-------????? #8----?? #20---There should be 1? for biting and 1? for aggression ===2 different things *21---You mean sexually aroused by people?? It's the person's fault when that happens. #28----?? #9---enrichment??---The word should be Distraction

Sorry, it's there now

A long time ago we had a member that was doing the same thing as you're doing. He was a long haul / distance driver who traveled to many states all week long. He had similar problems concerning flight when he stopped at truck rest stops. He had his bird with him all the time. I recommended this product which allows a bird to fly to different distances. The harness is adjustable. It's the only type that has these features. He got it and his problems were solved. This is the product and it can be purchased at many pet stores or online. Buying online saves you some money===it's about $34 in pet stores but online it can be gotten for about $28 or $30 approx. If you look it up, there's videos of how it works. For a congo grey, the size is MEDIUM. http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aaviator%20harness

I'm of the opinion that you don't understand what happens to greys and Zons as they stop being that cuddly, cute bird when they were babies. They grow up and develop their own personal attitude, likes, dislikes. They remember what it's like to be petted in areas that should have never been touched as babies. Lots of people have done that to their baby birds. The people won't listen and when the baby bird gets to that stage where biting is very natural, they will bite. They also show signs that they will bite. The people get upset. I feel that the type of behavior you're talking about is jealousy. Birds have to be a certain age when their natural jealousy trait comes out. Greys are jealous. Zons, less so. I have no idea whether your voice sounds sensual, sexy, alluring, desirable but in general parrots like calm voices. They don't desire sensual or sexual contact with people. Obviously, this whole situation is bothering you. I don't know why it is but to each his own. They do like their sexual areas rubbed just like people like it and this cases a problem because as I just said, people do that when they're babies and the bird doesn't forget. They will always like it. Reacting differently towards men and women-------It's not unusual when parrots do that. Greys are said to be one person birds but I've seen that happen with many other species. Some only like men, some only like women. Some only like men with no eyeglasses on. Some love the eyeglasses. Some like people who have dark hair, others don't. Some like children. others don't. Some will bite when they want, others don't. Some give out warning signs that they will bite----greys do that, Zons don't. Part of this biting has to do with your learning body language and there's a big section here about that. So, what you just named off Only petting head----that's a good thing to do. It should have been that way since the bird was a baby. The huffing and puffing, AS LONG AS THE PETTING IS CONFINED TO THE HEAD, is a sign of affection. I really can't tell you how to stop a bird from being affectionate. Zons ans Greys can be affectionate but on the other hand, they can fool a person. They act like they wanna be petted, then they bite. Again, body language. I'm sure that if you read that stuff, you'll see a big picture of your birds. Ignoring the behavior when they start doing it (it doesn't matter they will do it anyway)-----Again, body language. That language will tell when not to do it. No more petting below the head for a very long time----that's a form of punishment-----Should a bird be punished for being affectionate? Anyway, it won't stop anything that your bird/birds are doing. They don't understand punishment. They're wild animals. I am a parrot babe magnet, help------that's so silly that I won't even talk about it. Anyway, the answer was already given. I tried telling them no (like when they bite, to see if it works for the behavior ------- That's a good idea as long as you make it part of your routine. Sometimes it works with birds, sometimes not. your bird has it's own personality. I tried calmly telling the birds I'm a human and they are parrots and it would never work out (I actually did this, considering parrots are smart and hoping they'd understand something out of it) -----birds don't need to be told that you're human. They already know that you're not a bird. They are smart but not that smart. They're birds. Check out body language. It'll help if you wanna know the basic personalities of greys and in that body language section, you'll also see things concerning Zons which is a good thing. I am aware this looks like a troll thread, but I'm actually serious.----- I believe you're telling the truth.

In case you're not aware of certain phrases-------- FREE FLYING means that the bird is flying outside with NO flight harness:(. That's not what you should be thinking about. Greys and other parrots fly away never to be seen again. Flying with an aviator harness is what's used when taking a bird outside. They can be purchased at pet stores or online.

Any fruit whether it's solid or liquid doesn't give vitamins to a parrot. It goes in and out pretty quickly. There are no benefits with fruits. Fruits and Juices make the droppings very liquid. People use them as treats once in a while. As far as a concentrate, you would need to look on the container and see if it has sugar added. Regular sugar is no good for a grey. It's unhealthy. Any juices that the product has should be the natural juice in what the juice or fruits you're giving. it's important that you check to see what type of sugar is in it. I have no idea about concentrates. I can say that years ago, there were juice concentrates for humans but all of them had sugar added. Solid pomegranates are usually avoided by people because of the extreme mess they make ( splashing on walls, floors making different areas look like blood).

No, giving live uncooked meat, fish, poultry is very dangerous. All fish have mercury in their bodies and it can be toxic to greys or other parrots. *****Every animal should eat meat in a while*****. greys are seed, berry, insect scavengers. They don't eat dead or dying animals. Only vultures and other predatory birds do that. They will sometimeseat cooked poultry such as chicken but as a rule they're more interested in the chicken bones than the actual chicken.

Good girl:cool:. Keep up the good work. Yeh, organic is expensive but our farmers market is preety honest. They even tell me when they've had a certain crop that didn't grow well. This year has been bad for them so they steer me away from the poor things and point me towards the good things.

Never use your hands when breaking up fights between parrots. Always have a hand perch nearby and use it on either bird when you're trying to get in between an angry parrot who's fighting another parrot. Both parrots might bite you if you use your bare hands/wrists/lower arms. That's rule 101 concerning fighting. The perch should be 10 inches or longer. Use the tip of the perch near the feet. Always have the perch aimed in a slightly upward position. Parrots normally go upward so the chances of either parrot walking downward on the perch towards your hand lessen. Since all greys and amazons are different than the next grey or amazon, trying to manage the situation will take time. You need to try diferent things., As of now, separation is important especially if one of those birds has it's eyes on your face. I have no idea when you brought home the newer bird but if it was a short time ago, those birds need to get used to each other. If you've changed anything concerning food, treats or water, you should never decide to give these things to the new bird FIRST. The first bird is and should be the main bird who should be given everything first! Never change that rule! The other thing here is that those 2 birds may not like each other and need time out separately until they get used to each other. Others here have birds that don't like each other and must be watched when they're both out of their cages.

It's easier to recover after the second bout because the vets know ahead of time what meds were successful the first time. Quicker remission is possible but in the future your bird may contract the problem because that disease creates a weaker immune system. Compare it to a person who's gone into remission from cancer. There's always a chance that it'll resurface. It's best to stay in close contact with your vet on a regular basis and even schedule more visits then most people do. For that disease, 4 times a year is a good start but ask your vet about time lines.

Yeh, this is and old post but situations concerning homes in shelters don't change with time. Most legitimite orgs know the personalities of certain birds long before the general public even sees them. Most of those birds that are in the shelters come from strange situations. The orgs know about their history and decide on the bird's future fate before adopting them out. They've been told all the facts about these birds before taking them on. There's birds in these orgs that will never be adopted because of personality, phycological, and medical problems and the orgs know that. Most of the people seeing them can't handle problem birds even though they think they can. If the org says they should be adopted as a bonded pair so be it. If a person wants a chance to create bond with an adult bird, then they should simply find an adult bird that's up for adoption or sale. Orgs have a good reason for setting the rules. Bonded birds arrived with loads of problems and the last thing that should be created is another problem by *unbonding* them. That's crazy. There's people out there that can't even take on 1 pre owned bird and have success. I've seen that loads of time. I think about these people having 2 birds that are bonded and alike and that's just a future time and the birds will wind up back at the shelter. Most of the birds in these shelters have lived in 2 or 3 or even 4 previous homes. There are people out there that can take on a pair of bonded birds but they know head of time that no great changes are gonna happen concerning relationships with bonded pairs. Those people are known as * bird lovers in the truest sense.* ****Should keeping them together be standard policy? ***Absolutely yes. ****Should they be considered un-adoptable due to the difficulty of finding homes capable of taking on two parrots and sent to live out their lives together in a Sanctuary setting? ****Absolutely. The orgs know the birds and follow guides concerning the history and personality of these birds. *****Should they be separated in the event that a suitable family wants to adopt one of the pair*** That depends on the facts that the org knows concerning the birds. They know the answers to that question. That too is only something the org can decide on. *****I've been watching the adoptable parrot lists for organizations like The Gabriel Foundation for a long time. Some of the adoptable African Grey's have been there for as long as I've been watching (who know how much longer they've been on those lists) and it seems that being part of a "pair" contributes to the longevity in organizations instead of with a family.*****That's true but it's the orgs that are suppling the proper atmosphere to allow these birds to have a happy life. Potential buyers are heavyily screened before the birds are released. Forms are signed allowing org employees to visit the new homes of adopted birds to see how the bird is doing and also the relationship with the owners. If bad things are happening, they have the right to take the birds back. Sometimes the visiting process can last 6 mts to 1 year These orgs won't adopt out birds past a certain mileage from their centers. ******On the other hand, there aren't many people who have the resources to add two new birds at the same time. It is an immediate doubling of all the expenses involved in parrot ownership; cages, playstands, initial vet visits, toys, adoption fees. To an extent, adopting a "bonded" pair also means that the birds themselves have that much less incentive to bond to one of the new human caretakers. **** Well, they should simply go somewhere else and find one bird to adopt.

hey people!!!!!!!----there's got be great group price in a funny farm somewhere!!!

Oh man, finally a new subject to talk about:confused:! People checking out what their parrots smell like! What is this world coming to? I'm trying to picture people going around and sniffing their birds. This is gotta be a first. For the many, many years that this board has existed, This thread makes my day. . I thought I heard it all. Fruit Loops, Baby powder, fresh cotton sheets, on a clothes line, "If I could make a fragrance from it, I'd call it: 'Odeur-de-Amazon'", curtains, linens, hot sunshine on a shirt, tacos. So strange:rolleyes: Oh well, whatever floats your boat.

When mine are in their outdoor summer aviary, they pick up on different bird sounds and eventually dog barking from about 3/4 blocks way. Sometimes they will imitate me when I scream at the feral cats in the back yard-----GET THE FU**c k OUTTA HERE!! They sometimes come and hang out under the birdfeeders waiting to grab one. The birds can't see them but they can see them. As far as alarm calls, I don't know what you mean. Normally what they imitate outside stays outside and the same goes for the inside. The other thing they imitate outside is me yelling at the dog ---HEY SHUT UP PRIMO!! STOP THE BARKING!! YYou mean bird alarms OR police, ambulance, fire alarms??

**my uncle and dad she barely know but my grandfather she know.. every day he pet her and talk with her and today when we came from the shop he went to pet her (while she exploring the new toy) and she start also to scream** Parrots can seem like hey wanna engage in playing, being petted but that's not always true. Parrots have their good days and bad although I can totallly understand her wanting to bite people she doesn't know. Many parrots do that. Just about everyone here has been bitten by their parrot one time or another. Do you get into bad moods? Do people bother you when you're in a bad mood? Do you react in a different way when these things happen to you? Well, it happens to parrots and especially with greys, they need their own time and really don't wanna be bothered at the the time. You would have to worry if she constantly and regularly went after you and grandpa. That's a different story. As far as those other people, she simply needs to get used to them, see them often. People who hardly know a parrot shouldn't try to pet that bird. Often, a bad situation arises. Greys are one person or one family birds. They will even periodically bite the favored person (you). It could be for any reason that you and I wouldn't even know about. The only thing I would really worry about is watching your bird with strangers. A cage is best when strangers come over. The bird can study the strangers from the safety of it's cage.