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I have put together a page so those who want to stay on top of conservation efforts around the world and learn how to get involved and make a difference can access the info. they need to do so. I hope you will all consider visiting the page. I have gathered quite a lot of awesome information and this way I keep my conservation bits out of your forum. https://www.facebook.com/GreyBird.club, a place for parrots and their peeps. While our primary focus is Psittacus erithacus, the African grey parrot, We strive to be a place where people dedicated to the conservation of all parrots, along with the people who love and live with them every day, come together to learn and to share knowledge in the hope of making a better world for parrots.

Very sorry Shanlung. Respectful moment of silence...

Clipping wings is relevant to this topic as it would tend to slow him down quite a bit since he would not be able to fly. However, this is not a solution I would ever recommend as it goes against his very nature as a bird and would be a huge breach of trust. It also, from what I have seen, makes them very unhappy. Better to work with the bird than against him .

Maybe some others have an idea but I would say you really can't make him stay. You have to find a way to work with him. You were onto something with the hats... Just find something new that he doesn't like and use it until it wears off or even better give him full access to the kitchen sink until the fascination wears off (Just make sure it's safe of course). Dayo loves being by the kitchen when I am doing the dishes so I put a shelf up and made a play area there for her. I also find that if I am persistent and have the time to do it, If I return her to to where I want her to be 4 or 25 times, then she gives up and stays put. I think all the flying back tires her after a while but that requires time and patience.... the payoff is being able to do what I was trying to do without a parrot hanging off my hair or the front of my shirt.

WOW, someone's going to have a lot of fun! I don't think we have a birdmart - I will have to look them up.

Thanks for this post, I am working on this too and it's good to know what to expect!

Neoow, It's never too late. Just start slow and don't put ant time restrictions on the task. I have started with Miss Dayo and she reacts a lot like your Alfie. Although, There is a certain time in the morning when she comes over to get my attention (Usually as soon as I get engrossed in homework) I then take a break and work with her and the harness for 15 minutes or so. Just laying it on her and giving her scritches and over her head and more scritches... So far so good. Not sure how over the wings will go but eventually we'll get there.

Ha, or maybe a smart mommy

Right, so everyone who rechecked the link for an update already knew this. My bad.

You can certainly breed for a "Tameness" gene. It has in fact been done with the arctic fox in Russia. The thing with parrots is that they live so long and it takes many generations and so it would take hundreds of years. Our parrots are currently only ever one or two generations removed from the wild so they are free from such human maniplulations. On that same note they have not been "ruined" by breeding either which means you have basically the same gene crap shoot in your parrot weather you go to a "good" breeder or adopt a rescue. the only difference we can effect is in their environment. Just like humans a well adjusted individual requires a stable upbringing.

Miss Dayo used to fall a lot when she was younger. I would here the same thump you describe and run out to see her climbing back up the cage side. She now sleeps not in her cage but in my room with me. Still on occasion something will scare her in the middle of the night. Could be a bug or even a stray feather (I have seen it happen enough times in the daytime) and I'll end up with a parrot on my head. The folded towel and night light are a good idea.

The friendly parrot has been reunited with its owner!

It appears something is bothering him. You might start with a vet check. After you know he's OK, well then he could be molting and therefore crabby but since he hasn't acted this way before I'm not sure if that is likely. Maybe some others here might have some other ideas.

Daveoo7 - I was just speaking the truth as I see it - just as you do. No need to hold a grudge.

P.S. Dave007 - You said you would step in if anyone asked me to leave. LOL - Here's you queue

Talon, Someone has quoted an old post of mine - you are right, I said my peace a while ago and am done with it. But I have to say I do not feel welcome here at all. And lets just try and keep the facts accurate - I posted one post on not buying wild caught greys. Just one.

I would only suggest that you adopt as there are so many that are in need of good forever homes.

Trapping wild parrots for resale has existed for decades. This practice is inadvisable and unacceptable, for many reasons: Trapping techniques that are inhumane High losses of birds once caught and transported Introduction of disease from wild-caught birds into captive populations Wild populations are reduced, genetic variety lost, and nest sites destroyed The continued trapping of species that are known to survive only a few months in captivity (for example, the long-tailed parakeet) results in higher losses of birds Wild birds do not make suitable pets The continued trapping of wild parrots does not help local people; area residents are not paid anything but a pittance for their efforts, with the more substantial proceeds going to the brokers who trade in birds. If a bird is entirely eliminated from an area, the local people have nothing left to enhance their income. The loss of a species affects the entire ecosystem, leaving the area out of balance, and affecting other species of animals and plants. If ecosystems are affected, then entire regions can suffer. Buying wild-caught parrots does nothing to help or aid anyone. Nor does it enhance the aviculture industry; it can, in fact, endanger it. For anyone who wishes for a pet parrot, attempting to keep a wild bird can leave a trail of broken promises, and mean misery for the parrot and the people involved. A much better idea is to acquire captive-bred birds or, better still, adopt them from a reputable shelter. With your help, and if you refuse to buy wild-caught birds, tens of thousands of birds can and will be saved each month. Support the campaign to stop the sale of wild-caught parrots at: Fly Free

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This one? ... http://www.parrotloverscruise.com/

Muse that's even more expensive then MySafeBirdstore 4X7 1"= 145.19 where at StarBird it's 168.00

I have no issues with anyone and I'm not trying to MAKE anyone do anything - I thought it very important for the info. to be out there and now it is so I am satisfied.

I know it's hard to hear, but it's not a personal attack. I am speaking my mind about the above topic and addressing specific comments as, with regards to this topic, I think it's important that people not follow this advice given not just in this case but in the future. My voice needs to be heard as well. It seams this forum highly discourages dissent. I can't just say what you want to hear.

This is a very important issue so I wish to revisit and address some of my concerns... I am fully aware that I may banned for this but - so it goes. 1. "Right now, the bird is going to a good life" "Good" is subjective to the living being under discussion - in this case a parrot. So this person suggests that a lonely life in a cage in some person's home is a "good" life for a bird that is used to living in large social groups and flying big distances in the company of family and friends to forage for food, find a mate and build a family? Wow that's a weird perspective. So is this person saying that they would be happy locked up in a small room forever without other humans and being fed strange food? 2. "Right now, as a new grey owner, you won't make a difference by buying or not buying the bird" This is not true. Every little bit helps and by not buying the bird, explaining why not to the pet shop owner and other potential pet owners - you are achieving something. AND by buying the bird you are also making a difference - you are putting money into the hands of traders in wild birds - you are part of the problem. 3. "Getting this grey, wild or domestic, is going to make you very happy and the bird will also be happy." This is the crux of it - getting a pet makes the buyer happy. And that's what its all about, making humans happy, regardless of the true cost. Getting a pert parrot does NOT make the parrot "happy" - see above 4. "It's up to the very experienced bird organizations to end the taking of birds from the wild.” Classic avoidance. Outsourcing responsibility to a greater entity out there somewhere is classic of someone who just doesn't really care. Its easy to do that. Very revealing words spoken by someone who is rolling out excuses to avoid accountability - and who is part of the problem. Its an uncomfortable and inconvenient truth for the moderator and for many wild species owners that their actions support and actively promote the trade in wild species. best to all, -Mary