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Hi Acappella ... I agree ... Grace IS amazing!

Hi All (especially KittyKittyKitty :-) Terri loves that you mistook her for the mother ... she's my wife (the grandmother) and you made her day by saying "Mother and Baby are beautiful" ... I have to agree ... Terri looks beautiful when she is holding her grandbabies

Here is a better photo of Terri and Lyla Grace :-)

Here is a photo of Lyla Grace and me :-)

How about that !!! just received a call from our daughter Lisa. :-) Not only a new granddaughter by Kara and Dave! ... Our daughter Lisa is now engaged to be married to Tom !!! PTL ... when it rains it pours blessings from heaven :-) I'll be posting photos when we get some :-)

Thanks Judy!! We're looking forward to going to see the new little (not so little) one later today

New Granddaughter, Lyla Grace, born today ... Nov 28, 2009, 4:27am, 9lbs. 12oz. 22.5 in long 14 in. head. Born at home in a birthing tub. Mom and daughter doing great! Does life get any better?!! PTL!

I am fairly certain that they try to reintroduce the adult animals back into the wild. In the case of such young ones, I'm not sure what is done. If they can't get them adopted by adult animals, they need to be raised in a manner that allows reintroduction if possible, but we all know that is difficult. The story of this particular fire and rescue can be read at http://blogs.discovery.com/animal_news/2009/05/wildfire-wildlife-and-pet-rescue.html

I'm amazed that somehow God has programmed peaceful co-existence into his creation when conditions become unusual. Especially in the young ones, but also there have been interesting stories of unusual adoption parings by older animals as well. How different the conditions must be to fulfill Isaiah 11:1-12:6, but a very interesting picture is painted ...

They rescued the fawn during the wildfire. Although wild animals, especially of separate species, are never placed together due to regulations, in this emergency situation, they had no choice. During the mayhem of the fire, they were forced to put animals anywhere they could, since they had run out of crates large enough for the fawn. The kitten ran to the fawn, and it was instant bonding.

The Jesusita Fire in Santa Barbara, CA caused these two to take shelter together. The fawn is 3 days old and the bobcat about 3 weeks. The fawn came from somewhere in the fire and the bobcat from Carpentaria. They immediately bonded and snuggled together under a desk in the Santa Barbara County Dispatch Office for several hours.

Hi All ...I'm glad you enjoyed the photos. Renate ... I told Steve hi for you and Marios, and told him you will be sending photos as Sunshine becomes comfortable with the harness. I won't be posting for a couple of weeks ... taking a trip to Africa and probably won't have internet. In the area I'm visiting I may get to see some CAGs in the wild. Now that would be interesting. You all have a good time posting here while I'm gone. I'm learning SO much thanks to each one of you who have become friends. Jack

If you go to the Hartman Aviary website at Parrot Univertity they should be posting additional photos within the next few days. Steve's wife was taking quite a few photos and they said they would put them on the website. Check here in a few days ... http://theparrotuniversity.com/index.php

Here is the beautiful finale

Hartman Aviary picnic - Blue & Gold showing off ... would repeatedly move back and forth between this posture and the next photo I'm posting.

And ... one more

More pics of the Flame

Thought you all might want to see a photo of a beautiful Flame McCaw that was born at Hartman Aviary. The new owner was at the picnic at the aviary Oct 19, 2009 and it decided to be sported as a head ornament.

Hi Michelle ...... Welcome to the flock here. The pics of your son and Skittles are nice. Keep posting and we'll be reading along to see how you and your large family are doing

If you feel like making a drive to Ohio ... there is always Hartman Aviary. They have good babies each year. No Greys presently, but it sounds like you're patient enough to wait for a good one.

OK ... here is a photo of Terri that she can agree with. She's holding one of the newest members of our flock. Our new Granddaughter Juniper Eowyn ... born on Sept 2, 2009 :cheer: Post edited by: harmonicaman68, at: 2009/09/11 12:34 Post edited by: harmonicaman68, at: 2009/09/11 12:46<br><br>Post edited by: harmonicaman68, at: 2009/10/11 12:13

Hi Dave007, Thanks for your insights. As always your comments are very helpful Dave. It's interesting to me that folks talk both about the differences AND the similarities with CAGs and TAGs. As you noted, it's probably because there are only two kinds. For those of us who don't own both kinds, the curiosity is there about the kind we don't have. Are they as playful? Are they as inventive in their ways of interacting with the humans they love or those they are cautious of? Are they more or less accepting of children and if so, what ages seem to be the best accepted? Our Sun Conure, Mali didn't do well with children under 4 years old, and then she reached an age (about 4 or 5 years old) where all children were OK no matter how young. She apparently had enough positive experiences to stop worrying about children ... even children she had never met before. Your insights about other parrots is a bonus. I know some about the different varieties yet you speak to some of the fine points of those personality variations within and between kinds. With Ziva, we're always laughing at her antics. She sees what she wants and lowers her head and races as fast as she can across the counter, or the table or the floor to play and explore as if streamlining herself close to the walking surface will help her get there faster. (she looks like she is preparing to ram her objective or wants to get there before someone says "no"). If she has landed where we have told her she can't play, she becomes headstrong and more determined to check out items she is not allowed to touch. She gives us a look that says "I know I'm not supposed to be here ... you aren't going to stop me again are you?" "What do you mean I can't chew on that cord?" From the clips I've seen posted to Youtube, I see little difference and mostly similarities between CAGs and TAGs, but much of what is posted are examples of talking and since our TAG is only 21 weeks old, I don't have much to compare. (It sounds like that varies from CAG to CAG or TAG to TAG). I'm not as interested in that arena as I am in temperment ... interpersonal relationships with the rest of the human family ... and how to maximize the positive experiences they have with Ziva. Also, if there is a way to socialize Ziva better ... or personality traits that can be avoided or maximized through the way we raise Ziva ... well ... you get the point ... Mostly I want to know if there are differences between CAGs and TAGs because generalizing articles on various parrot varieties abound on the internet. A general article gives me as much or more wrong info as correct info. (you should have seen the wry looks Steve Hartman gave me as I asked some really naive (read "stupid") questions before we were adopted by Ziva. He told me to quit reading internet articles, because my questions didn't even apply to Ziva.) If there are true differences, I want to filter what is directed toward folks owned by CAGs and concentrate on what I need to know as a someone relating to a TAG. Our first day home with Ziva, my wife said we'd better throw out the "playbook" because things were SO much easier than we had been led to expect from the articles we had read about Greys. .... OK, I wasn't reading Grey Forums yet to get the straight scoop .... and the articles discussing biting, screaming, etc were mostly pointed toward selling products, DVDs, CD, "how to videos" etc. Life is much simpler in person ... with real experience ... and with Ziva ... a calm Grey that Steve had socialized with great care before she picked us up.

Hi Jilly, Harvey looks beautiful and the gray harness looks like a fashion statement. I'll have to ask Steve if he had help from his volunteer staff when choosing the colors that the Aviator is available in. Last Saturday a woman bought a female umbrella cockatoo from him and asked him for a pink harness. To my surprise he went into his stock and produced one. Who would think to have colors that are obviously fashion in an item that on the surface would seem utilitarian? Modernists would say form follows function. Obviously one of the functions is to have fun

Hi Renate! I'll tell Steve hello from you and Marios the next time I see him I'm sure he will enjoy receiving a photo of your new Amazon in an Aviator Harness. Be sure to include some with you and Marios. Steve and the folks who volunteer at the aviary are always happy to receive photos. It makes the friendships through emails and letters more personal Blessings to you and a Karma for your warm heart and enjoyable comments here among the Grey Forum friends {Feel-good-000200A1} Jack

Hi Raposa, Thanks for the reference to this article. It's always a joy to read any article when the person is not only has knowledge, but a love for Greys ... or parrots of any type. The joy of learning about these beautiful creatures shows up in the enthusiasm of what they have to say.