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Hi, You need to speak to Dave007 about this......Just to clarify, once your Greys bond, they will no longer have anything to do with you, your duty will be to feed and care for them, they won't even be friends with you. A grey can only bond with one person or one bird at a time, bonding with another bird always takes precedents. Once mated and bonded they revert to their wild mind set, even if you separate them, there are sanctuary for pre-breeder Greys, they are no longer human compatible. You will need to find someone who is willing to teach you how to raise hatch-lings. They'll need special breeding box's, food, temperature and other condition requirements. You can breed and raise cockatiels fairly easy, they do most of the work, not so with Greys..Once again, once bonded and mated, they will be relinquished to their own world where you will become their care taker and owner, not companion or friend......Sorry for being a advocate, there's more than most people realize to breeding parrots then putting two birds in the same cage and waiting for a egg to drop and hatch.....

Just remember, you've made no mistake..........Only you know your goals........Thanks.....Jay

With due respect, the other side of the coin....Quote.I know this is what " avian bird experts" say.Un-Quote.. This part of Nancy's post is correct.. Dave's post is correct. The simplest way to handle a parrot that wants to regurge is to put them on/in their cage or play pen etc, say thank-you and walk a way pronto!!! Come back shortly, minute or so and approach your baby again, if they continue, repeat and stay away a little longer..... This is sexual attraction, prelude to mating, not sexual aggression. Some people feel human psychology relates to birds, this isn't so.

Please research feeding your Grey, The diet you are feeding will shorten your Greys life and possible cause death and illness. I'm sorry for being so blunt but if you can't afford the proper food for your Grey maybe you should get a different kind of pet. There are many currant threads and archived threads on this forum. Has your new bird had a Well Bird Check-up and blood work? that usually cost a couple of hundred or more depending on out come, must be done yearly, do you have indoor full-spectrun UVB lighting? You never give vitamins or any supplement unless ordered by a avian vet..http://www.greyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?190462-We-Feed-Our-Fid-s!!!-Update This just 1 example....NO, you can't feed wild bird seed to them...Sorry, Thank you....Jayd

Sorry, the best thing to do is leave them be, let them out of their cages, they will either go on as if nothing is wrong ,or one might fly to the others cage and be accepted or told to move on, Greys are independent of each other, their main concern is themselves, not another bird.... Show equal attention to each, treat each as they demand, likes and dislikes. Let them teach you, not you teach them. You don't want them to bond, only get aong, if they bond with each other, they'll have nothing to do with any human, remember they won't be domesticated like a dog or cat for about 200,000 years, sit back, let the be. No psychology, no forcing or planning, let the show you how to coexist. Ask Dave007 about bonded Greys and breeders, read through some present threads....We have some parrots that still do as you say after all theses years, it's their way, were just caretakers. Thank Jay

Janet is more than right, keep them in the same room just separated, they'll decide what to do...Most of the time they will coexist, thats what you want. If you want them to bond, they'll bond with each other, not you...Their from 2 different, in the wild that means their from 2 different flocks, now their in a new 3rd flock, they have to adjust to you and each other...Thanks

Thanks Judy....As a side note, All powder coating isn't created the same, some have Zinc and other poisons unsafe for our fids, unless they can prove to you their using "Parrotsafe and approved PC, don't do it!!!!! Also after contacting both Rustoleum and Krylon, Baby-safe paint is only safe as long as you don't chip it, chew it, or swallow it!!!!!! Quote: scooter4n, "if you want to have powercoat redone, I was just looking around having my cage change color, did call around local power coat shops and here are the prices:" un-quote... There are differences between Thermoplastic powders that will remelt when heated, and Thermosetting powders that will not remelt upon reheating. Some powder coat companies recycle the powder coat - great for out door furniture - bad for birds. Further, a powder coat job over metal with too much zinc or rust will not protect the bird. There are factories in China with leaky roofs that produce thousands of bird cages that have been powder coated over rust and are sold here in the US Thanks

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Many parrots become less active and moody while molting, they may not be as affectionate with you as it normal. They will scratch themselves more as the new contour and head feathers sprout. If your baby lives indoors in artificial light and molts only an occasional feather, its personality will not change. If your baby has gone through a normal summer breeding cycle during which its sexual hormones surged, it will quiet down and become less aggressive during its subsequent molting period. This is all due to there pineal gland, the circadian clock is located in the pineal gland, which you known controls a lot of functions and body happenings in our parrots as well as in us humans. Many things govern when a parrot molts, such as, amount of food, length of day, and the color of the light besides hormone and body chemistry. A parrot who receives Full Spectrum lighting or sunlight, molts and reproduces differently then parrots who receive regular home lighting....I have always been extremely interested in the hows and whys of the working of the circadian clock..... Always remember if things don't seem right, contact a vet.....

If you notice, Salsa brings the soon to her mouth, like a human........LOL

I hope this might help: It's 2 years later now... Rescue #1 JOEY Joey: Congo African Grey Parrot Present Age: Four years old Abuse Type: Mental and Severe Psychological (No visible sign of Physical abuse) Background: We know the pet store that Joey had originally been purchased from. He had been weaned and clipped, never allowed to fly. For the next two years we had no record and we have not been able to speak to the previous owners. After purchasing Joey and with some help also with help from Joey himself, we have been able piece together some of his past history and his previous owners. His previous owners were a well-established young couple. The female was never fond of any types of pets, did not fit her lifestyle. Joey had favored the male and there had been a bonding but it wasn’t a healthy bonding. Shortly after getting Joey, which brought problems to the marriage, the male was more interested in maintaining harmony than integrating Joey. This brought about bickering over Joey between the two owners with the female getting more and more agitated, putting him in a small room by himself, being ignored by both of them except for cage cleaning, food and water. There was a lot of arguments that took place within earshot of Joey, possible marital abuse, yelling at Joey by both of them, cage being tapped, arguments about whether to keep Joey or get rid of him. At this point, the owners decided, (not mutually) to get rid of Joey. So, at this point, Joey and his cage was taken to a pet store where the owner agreed to hold him for awhile and let Joeys owners visit him for a while (which was wrong). They only visited him three times over the next six months, arguing in his presence each time. At this point in time, we took Joey into our hearts and home. The Homecoming: We didn’t know this young Grey’s name, so we called him Jim (Kirk) to go along with Spock. At this time, we had enough birds for everyone in the city. He was a quiet bird and would sit in his cage in the back and be soundless. He would let you change his water and food (he had been on seeds only diet). He would also shake if you came near the cage and would constantly head-search while chewing his toe-nails. He was extremely neurotic…he was a small bird and looked like he might have been stunted from lack of a proper diet. We introduced him to everyone and we did not attempt to hold him. We talked to him and talked to our other fids in front of him. If we saw that he was being extremely nervous, we would go out of our way to stop and talk to him with a “Hi Jim” etc, and we were slowly discovering the depth of his psychological and mental abuse. We left the cage door open whenever we were home and awake which at this stage was 24/7. One day, Jay left the room and in the most concerned voice, Joey called out “Hello! Are you okay?” When Jay came back, Joey was standing at the open door looking down the hallway, looking for Jay to come back. He would also say “Hello”, “How are you?” at this time. He also started talking to himself…bringing up his past two years. While shaking badly, he would say things like “Are you going to feed me?” “Get a lawyer”, “You can run but you can’t hide!” “LIAR!” He would make crying sounds…he would do this while we were not in the room (plus other things too sad to say). During this period, we were introducing him to all sorts of fresh veggies and fruits. (It has taken over a year to get him to eat veggies and fruits) Besides his ruminations, he also started talking, calling to the other fids, calling us by name, singing but always reverting to his old self and chewing his nails and shaking. Out of nowhere, as Jay and I were walking by his cage, he looked Jay straight in the eye and said, “I’m Joey, NOT Jim”. He told us this twice (imagine us with our jaws on the ground) and we had to start changing his name on our threads. Now and into the Future: Joey lets us hold him and play with him more each day. He is coming out of the closet so to speak…he is an ideal parrot in a number of ways but it is all from his abuse years. He has built his life on his own routines. He eats at the same time each day, he talks at the same time each day, he preens himself at the same time each day…he definitely has obsessive-compulsive tendencies. For the last two months we have not heard him say anything from his abusive past. He has a growing vocabulary and strong cognitive abilities which we believe has roots in his abusive years. He lets us hold him when he wants to. At times, he is very cage-territorial and he stays on his cage. He will perch and let you take him from his cage for a few moments only. We have a perch on the outside of his cage and he likes to spend most of his time looking out the window. He is extremely vocal and interacts with Spock and Salsa and lets both of them eat and drink from his bowls and he plays tail-chase with both of them on his cage. He is very insecure anywhere away from his cage. It is an ongoing process to try to get him comfortable enough to stay away from his cage. He has attempted to fly on four-five occasions to fly and they have been disastrous. This is definitely due to the fact that he was constantly clipped. (We have set out pillows on his common landing areas that is more often missed than hit.) At times, he will revert to something that triggers his bad memories and will pin his eyes and draw blood out of the clear blue. Once he snaps out of it, he is very affectionate and loving. The Future continues: On-going Progress: In the last couple of weeks, Joey has made some amazing changes. To everyone’s surprise, when you open his cage in the morning, he will hang from the top of the cage, wait for you to support him with your hand and involve you in beaky play. He will hang with one foot and grab your hand with the other (Yikes!) and play roughly while talking to you. (Non-Sexual) He’s molting and he’s also found out that a human finger is excellent for rubbing the pin feathers at the bend of the leg where it touches the body. In the few moments that he lets you hold him, he has leaned against our chest (on his own) and cuddled. Now and Beyond: Daily, you can still see the pain that he has endured. When he thinks we are not observing him, he reverts to his shaking and nail chewing to a lesser extent. His most recent trait that the past is still current in is memory is when we have to leave, he will let out a couple of loud contact calls and puff up to almost twice his size and stare and you and call while you are leaving. It is so sad… They NEVER forget…any abuse is a major and daily part of their lives and they live with it….it is always there to haunt them.

Thanks FirstPenguin, A Grey matures at around 4yrs old, during this time and sometimes into old age, a Grey can change preference. A critical time is after fledgling and the period when they are homed and socializing during the first year. They can also change attitude if a person changes soap or mannerisms etc........Thanks....

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Kaytee has one with very few sunflowers, throw away all peanuts, in shell or out, pick out sunflower seeds, Dr Foster and Smith and Pet Solution have mix's with out sunflower seeds, there also cheaper with free shipping on orders of $49.00 or more.. Our favorites are Volkmans and Royal......Thanks Jay

Thank you Nancy, but we were both Breeder [not Greys] and a Rescue Organization.........And I agree with you....Thanks Jayd

You would need to take Bogey to a lower temp untill you were closer to 50degrees. example: if your house was say 80 degrees, move him some where that was 75 degrees and keep him there for say 1/2hr, then move again to a place that was 70 degrees for a half a hour, etc.. A sudden drop or rise in temperature isn't good for any parrot...Thanks Jayd P.S. Sorry, this is miss info....

Hi, to just take Bogey outside, yes, Bogey would need to be acclimated...Thanks Jayd P.S. Sorry, miss info

Thank you Anoble1, It's obvious your a good parront and care very much about your companion. You might want to read our Holistic thread in the health room for arthritis. We give Organic Apple Cider Vinegar to all our Parrots, have for years, check out this site, there very trusted...Thanks so much Jayd http://www.avianweb.com/arthritisbirds.html

Thanks, sounds like you have a wonderful Grey. If your companion gets around the cage etc good, don' worry. You need to go to Avian vet where they can test for arthritis, it sounds more like a deformity. Feed a good diet and please keep us informed.......Thanks Jayd

Hi, Thank you, Stress marks are from diet, Greys should have very little fruit, a grape or small piece of apple a day is plenty, you should keep a seed mix 24/7 in the cage, if theres peanuts in the shell, remove them, also get a seed mix with out sunflower seeds, if there in the mix, remove them, they can have a few a day, give 1 or 2 nuts a day, 1 almond, 1 walnut, 1 pistachio, etc Thanks Jayd

Thanks Ray, yes winter soon, the days are cooler here, 107 today, you really notice it at night, mid 80's. Yes, our fids look forward to the 4 seasons, summer, summer, summer and summer and the foliage are changing, the rocks and dirt to a hazy shade of brown...............Thanks Jay

Hi, beaks ok, get a beak toy and check diet, which leads to "Stress marks" on tail feather, what doe's you baby eat, how much sun/UVB indoor lighting?