Unrequited love, poor Mazy. You shouldn't play with a lady's heart, Bruce! You cad you!!! :kiss: My grey is only 10-months old so I have no experience in this matter. I do know that Dan and Judy know their stuff . . . so get rid of the box. I did want to say, what a great looking playstand you have made for Mazy. So regardless of what a heartbreaker you are, you are a great provider for your sweet little lady! Nice to hear from you Bruce. Don't stay gone so long next time!