Oh my, Harvey is being a little brat and testing his status in the household. I have said it many times that my grey is fearless and has a mind of her own. I don't give her time outs, I just tell her no in a harsh tone. I grew up on a farm and learned early on that animals are animals and some you have to eat. There were 7 of us children so we learned early that things had to last a long time because there wasn't always enough money to replace them. That being said, I never let Ana Grey on my shoulder, if she flies towards me I just put up my arm or arms and ward her off, she has to maneuver away from me and land somewhere else. She now lands on the back of my recliner instead of on me. If she sneaks up on me and lands on my shoulder, I just shrug her off. She does not get hurt, she is quite a little flyer now and maneuvers beautifully. Ana Grey has never landed on my woodwork if she did I would think nothing of swattering her away with a rolled up newspaper. As much as I love her and will protect her she still has to obey my rules. I think her knowing what the boundaries are and my being constant saves us both a lot of grieve and I'll never have to cook her!!!! :silly: :lol: