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It's not really surprising if these birds were affected in completely different ways, even if they both were treated identically. The dinged up baby may just be less stable. But something could also have happened to that one. I'd be concerned that the wing had sustained an injury that might even continue to be causing problems. The plucking could in part be because of that or be an entirely separate thing. If they haven't already, both birds really should be vet'd as soon as possible, even if they'd had an ideal life, which it doesn't sound like they've had. Also, even though these birds have been together, doesn't mean anything when it comes to their relationship. They may hate each other. One may be afraid of the other. They could be crazy about each other, but still be in a destructive relationship. It can get complicated sometimes. So I don't think you should start off assuming anything about these guys. Even whatever you may have been told. Suggest you take them to the vet, observe each of the birds individually & together & then start working on making each of them individually, feel comfortable & welcome in their new home. And we at GF will be happy to do whatever we can to help you help them. There are a number of Amazon lovers here. And many of us have rehab'd rescued fids. Talon put your first post in Cricket's Amazon room. But whenever you can post, you might want to post something in the "Welcome & Introduction Room" & maybe "Rescue Bird Haven", as well. All of these places might help members w/different applicable experience get to know & help you. "Rescue Bird Haven" also has a lot of existing threads that might give you some good ideas too. Also, Welcome to Grey Forums!! Keep posting. Don't be shy about asking questions. There's a lot of people here to help. Congratulations on your new fids!! VERY awesome job, taking on these guys who sound like they really needed someone to love them.

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Just passing this along for anyone who might be interested. It's a documentary about the Snow Monkeys who live in Japan’s Shiga Highlands, the snowiest place on earth. I thought it was very beautiful. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/snow-monkeys/snow-monkeys/8736/ Page has the full episode & special feature links along the right side. "Behind The Scenes: Making of Snow Monkeys" Pt 1 & 2 is some of the insights & interaction of the film team. Also very beautiful & worth watching.

FYI My user stat's changed overnight. Think my post count dropped from 2100+ but I gained "thanked" count which I thought was only 3300+. I had also noticed RayP's rep was one more than mine. It s/b 131 & it's down to 125. I don't pay enough attention usually. Just sometimes numbers or combinations catch my eye. This week, almost all my stats happened to be numbers made from 0-3. ( It's a weird thing that runs in the family. My sister remembers everyone's license plate). A-ny-way - my numbers look wrong & I know for sure that Ray's rep is off. So, under the circumstances, I thought I should pass it on.

Yes, parrot toys can be pretty expensive. Especially since most of them are designed to be destroyed. But these 2 free ebooks will give you lots of ideas about cheap, safe activities. Hope it helps. http://www.phoenixlanding.org/PEAB_V2.pdf http://www.licg.nl/contentsuite/upload/lig/file/Praktisch%20vogels/Parrot_Enrichment_Activity_Book.pdf

Okay, that's what I thought you meant. But that's far, far away. I'd have to move to CN or worse, NY!! lol The size of TX & PA always sort of amazing to me.

Some people, not just vets, would say you should never shoulder a parrot. Dave007 has said that putting your face next to a beak is like putting it next to a can opener. He's absolutely right, of course. But many of us are willing to take that risk, at least until they experience any real pain or blood loss. A fid's mood can change in a literal flash & it's hard to protect yourself from a shouldered bird who's scared or mad enough to bite you. It's pretty easy for either or both of you to get hurt. Don't want to make you nervous because that will get you bitten, too. But you really should know that there is no such thing as teaching a bird to never bite. It can happen for too many reasons. It can happen even after they've been model citizens for years & years. Me, I pick & choose. I only let the birds I trust most sit near my face, even like on the back of the couch behind my head. My Eclectus is as trustworthy as can be. My grey... no way!! lol So, it's your call. You can teach Felony to sit in the crook of your arm, now, while it will be relatively easy or take the gamble & see how it goes.

Guess what...!!! I stopped at Petco because Pixie needed a jacket. BUT, I also found the $15 tubs of Nutriberries now clearance'd for $1.50, 8lb bags of seed mix for $3.50 & a bunch of other types of pellets were 90% discount, too. ...aaand, the foraging toy was marked down to $5. Petco has a 60 day return policy. So there's still time to either return or adjust the earlier purchases, too. fyi, the manager also told me the big tubs of Nutriberries for Conures got marked down to $7. He bought out his own stock on the spot (of course ). But someone else might still luck out at their local store. Happy Hunting!!

I think that's less a rookie mistake & more a rite of passage. There will always be things you just cannot predict about your fid's reactions; albeit good or bad. Paired w/the ever popular "hide in plain sight" w/its mega adrenaline rush eventually followed by the realization they were right there all along. Yeah, good times! Because they're prey animals, they become invisible instinctively when they're scared. It can sometimes help if Beautiful has learned to answer a contact call, though.

lol "Bob" :confused: On the border of what...?? :confused:

You guys have raised so many different types of birds that I'm pretty sure you'll make it work if it's at all possible. Coco didn't come out of the box awesome. She had some help. You've still got some time to work w/him. But if this just turns out to be the wrong bird at the wrong time, then he's still young enough to be rehomed w/o anymore trauma than if he was leaving the breeder. And I know you'll be able to find him a fantastic home given how many awesome birdy people you know. Just please promise you won't give up on parrots, okay? You guys are too fantastic at being parronts & overall, it has given you way too much joy.

It just looks a little scary, you know? Any idea how long before the tech gurus will be able to make it all better?

Surprise & Congratulations! That thread really is a beautiful thing.

First I was thinking, "They're being pretty damn calm, especially considering that's such a bi-i-ig bear!!" Then I started wondering what he was doing awake in the winter, anyway. ...got me! LOL!!!

I've been reading this thread thinking it's about time you got to be The One for a change. But jeez, why does it always have to be extremes w/these guys? Still & all though, maybe Pat's getting a new perspective about what you've been thru. No more, "Why can't you just...?", for a while maybe??

Dear Phenix, Finally!! After all these years, the chance to convince you that your world really is pretty okay. For starters, you need to believe that you have been loved since the very first time I laid eyes on you. Even after that ended w/us both dripping blood all over the floor (& just let's not forget who started that...!!). You are without a doubt a force of nature w/all the fiercely proud beauty that implies. Just sometimes. it gets in the way of making friends & having some really good adventures. You're really missing out, little dude & it just makes me really sad sometimes. "All" you need is to embrace the fact that I'm not letting anyone or anything anywhere near you unless they're fully compliant w/the Phenix Enrichment Experience. No matter what you think, that also includes your little green flockmate w/the big, big personality. You could do worse than to imitate Charm once in a while, you know. Not necessarily at that same decibel level, maybe. But the occasional silly antic wouldn't kill you & heaven forbid, you might even enjoy it. I'll even promise not to take pictures (... she said w/all her fingers crossed). Not to sound too needy or anything, but a few more warm fuzzies would be awesome, too. Maybe act like I'm more than just okay for a human. Yeah, that body language when I snuggle w/anyone else so-o-o gives you away. Especially when it's Kura. And speaking of Kura, isn't it way past time you two sat down for a nice long preening session? We both know how often you imitate her. You know you think she's awesome & it really is time you got a friend your own size. BFFs w/the dog is all well & good & everything, but... Whatever else though, I hope you know you're one of my heroes. My little grey bird w/the incredible heart. So close to getting lost forever, yet somehow, you made it all the way back to where you are today. Even though in your heart of hearts you still believe that the world is such a sinister place, you've continued to grow & change & conquer in the most stunning ways. Just so you know; I'm your biggest fan. And I remain as I have been for the past 25 yrs, Your humble servant & life-long devotee.

What's going on with this??

I never have signed in from the home page. I poke around the new stuff & just sign in when & if I want to post. So, I can't say anything about that part of it. Just that "recently" whenever I do go there, my antivirus (Malwarebytes) flags the IP address as dangerous.

Oh, Maggie definitely remembers. Don't doubt it for a second. They have insanely long memories, especially about the important things. It's just that Maggie's changed. She's not a youngster anymore. Maybe she'll still be Daddy's little girl for life or maybe she's outgrown him. Whatever, but right now, she's got the control & it sounds like she's letting him know she's not about to just give that up. So, it would probably be better for him to avoid anything that might seem pushy & pander, pander, pander until he hopefully gets back in her good graces.

River Birch does well around here & it doesn't need a crazy amount of water. I don't know if it would be happy in the kind of droughts you guys get, though. And yes, many, many bamboo species are invasive. But there are some that aren't. If you want to keep bamboo, either do some research &/or keep it in planters so the roots are contained. The only think I'd kind of worry about planting the aviary is critters. Especially snakes. Would it be better to plant hanging planters higher up?

Whenever you string things, it helps to tie knots every so many pieces. If you're really patient, after each one. The more knots, the better (usually). I think they look fine!! But the only opinion that matters is the fid who you want to play w/them. So, greyt job!!!

Thought I'd add Phenix favorite thing to the list & suggest that maybe Hubby can share by letting Maggie drink from his cup. Phenix loves big, see thru tumblers (see avatar). But almost any cup is way cool. His favorite, favorite drink is Simply Limeade. Pink grapefruit juice & cranberry, also get very high marks. But honestly, given the chance, he's happy w/water so long as he gets to stick his face in a cup. Aside from the fun bonding activity, a nice big cup also makes for good protection. They get used to your hand coming towards them, but done right, they can't take a chunk out of you just because the spirit moves them. So maybe I should say that was one of my favorite things, too, back in the dark days. lol This is not the Maggie you guys left behind. That Maggie was still a youngster emotionally. This Maggie is a grown personality w/life experiences that have helped shape her attitudes & reactions in ways that might surprise you. In other words, the suggestions that you treat her like a newly rehomed fid might work best until you really see what's what & who's who. Also, I have to respectfully disagree w/the idea that Hubby will just return to fav status after the dust settles. Greys can be notoriously fickle. Even if that relationship had continued seamlessly, Maggie may still have eventually demoted him. It just happens that way sometimes. He can hope he's "just" in the penalty box. But, it might be best to drop any attitude from his previous status & set to earning his place w/the Maggie who's currently living w/you. If nothing else, shameless grovelling & pandering can't hurt, right? ")

Customizing - making everything uniquely his own. I can't help it, that pose always reminds me of a vulture. lol Even so, it's still extra special to see him back where he belongs!!!

Yeah, this is the about time of year Kura starts messing w/her feathers, too. I have been collecting things for months so I can have as many new distractions as possible. Hopefully, one season soon, I'll get it right & she & her feathers will actually make it thru the winter in tact. Hell I'd even celebrate slightly moth eaten at this point. Phenix sends kudos to Koko for being such a clever girl. He said to tell her he just takes the whole door off & is done w/it. But I thought it might be more better to suggest you Google "tamper resistant screws". I'm not sure what exactly she's doing from your description. But maybe you can find something to outsmart the little problem child.

It's great to watch Kilaya growing so strong & confident. Thanks for sharing as always.