lovemyGreys

Well mystery solved Dave is Teresa's other half

:laugh: Dont worry we have all been there

Glad to hear you was able to convert your grey, unfortunately not all greys are as easy to convert to new foods.We have a thread here on the bird room that covers encouraging your grey to try new foods.

Well I'm personally not to sure on this & that's only my personal views, So please go with what you feel happiest with.I know young greys when removed from their parents huddle together in the brooder for security & comfort but i don't feel it's necessary to provide a box to sleep in,Greys that fledged in the wild don't sleep in boxe's Grey like to roost up high on their favourite perch,i'd personally use a box as a toy when your greys out of the cage & if your grey is female later on this could prove to be a problem as she reaches sexual maturity, this will encourage nest building instincts.

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{Feel-good-0002006E} Rae your the queen of jokes, thanks for making me laugh

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A poor Quality diet can lead to disease in our Greys,Our bird-food room here aims to help educate our members on the correct diet possible. Information supplied from... N. Harcourt-Brown, BVSc DipECAMS FRCVS Harrogate, N. Yorkshire, UK It is a sad fact that the majority of pet parrots are fed on nutritionally deficient diets. There are several factors that encourage this to happen but these are mainly due to the ignorance of many bird owners and also owners of pet-shops. The majority of pet psittaciforms are given a seed-based diet to eat. Seeds fall into two categories: sunflower seed, peanuts and pine nuts, are large seeds that contain a lot of oil. Small seeds such as safflower, hemp, millet and canary seed contain mainly carbohydrate. Seeds are high calorie, low in calcium with a poor Ca/P ratio, low in most vitamins, have either low protein content or a limiting essential amino acid, usually lysine or methionine. Seed based diets have little to recommend them nutritionally but they are easy to store and do not deteriorate visually. They are also universally attractive diet to many parrots. In many pet shops the seed quality is poor, is stored for an unspecified time and in unspecified circumstances and is often seed that has failed to make the grade as fit for human consumption. The seed based diet is almost never subjected to nutritional analysis and if an analysis of a mixed seed diet is offered it is usually book-based. Although many owners attempt to feed a varied diet, their birds usually select an unbalanced seed-rich diet. Some Grey Parrots eat nothing but sunflower seed. Also most birds are offered far too much food further enabling the bird to eat only the seeds that it wants. A Grey Parrot will maintain its body weight on one tablespoonful of sunflower seed per day. The onset of clinical signs of a dietary deficiency is based on the lifestyle of the parrot: productive birds show more dramatic signs more quickly. As most parrots' diets are deficient in several vital nutrients the bird is usually presented with a multitude of subtle problems and just because one deficiency is more obvious, such as osteodystrophy in a growing baby parrot, it does not mean that this will be the only deficiency. Finally, every client says that they feed their birds on 'only the best,' never believe them. Rely on your clinical impression, you will usually be correct. Specific deficiencies Vitamin A deficiency causes squamous metaplasia of the mucous membranes affecting oropharynx, respiratory, reproductive and renal tracts. The abnormal keratinisation blocks the ducts of the glands causing abscesses in the salivary and mucus glands. Carotenoids produce much of the feather colour in parrots. In vitamin A deficient birds the yellow, orange and red colours are much duller and the green plumage (made of yellow carotenoid and blue caused by scattered light) is affected too. Vitamin A is formed in the bird by converting beta carotene from a vegetable source: fresh vegetable such as carrot, maize or sweet corn, green beans, celery, apricots, etc. Vitamin E deficiency is commonly seen and occurs because storage of seed for long times allows the oils to become rancid and the vitamin E to deteriorate. Generalised weakness due to myopathy will occur and is also worsened by selenium and sulphur containing amino acid deficiency. Vitamin D3 is often deficient in pet birds. Various vitamin D precursors are metabolised within the skin by ultraviolet light to form Vitamin D3. Glass tends to filter out u/v light form sunlight. As the calcium to phosphorus ratio in most seeds is poor (high phosphorus and low calcium) many parrots become seriously depleted. In birds that are laying eggs or still growing the problem is quickly seen as egg-binding in the former and osteodystrophy with bony deformity in the latter. Grey Parrots are very prone to calcium deficiency, which manifests as convulsions or the bird will suddenly fall off its perch. Their ionised calcium (and often total calcium) level is low as is their Vitamin D3. B vitamins are also deficient in a seed based diet and although these vitamins are made in the gut the birds do seem to get signs of deficiency that could be due to deficiency: poor skin and feather quality, dermatitis, and fatty liver problems. Vitamin K deficiency is seen in Fig Parrots but is not usually identified in other species. However if a broken blood feather or bleeding claw continues bleeding it is worth considering in any parrot. Most seed based diets are deficient in some essential amino acids. These are usually lysine and methionine. In productive birds, moulting, egg-laying and growing birds, protein deficiency is obvious. In adult non-productive birds it is less so but these birds often have great difficulty in responding to disease or injury. Iodine is usually low in seed. This leads to a lack of thyroxine, which controls the basal metabolic rate and also initiates moulting. Typical signs of nutritional deficiency in adult parrots. Poor integument quality: flaky beaks and scaly skin plus softening of the claws and beak allowing overgrowth Poor plumage, both in form and colour Delayed or incomplete moult Convulsions or muscular weakness Lethargy and inability to fly Lipomata Upper respiratory tract disease plus conjunctivitis Reduced resistance to disease Inability to breed: lack of libido, egg-binding, infertile eggs, deformed baby birds Dietary correction Most birds have specific feeding times and do not usually need to eat outside them. They feed in the morning and in the evening. Parrots are vegetarian birds. They should be fed a balanced vegetarian diet and the diet should be in a form where it is difficult for the bird to be selective. The food should be fed in a quantity where the bird is kept slightly hungry and especially where it is keen to eat its next meal. Parrots (and other birds) are similar to many humans; they will eat a favourite food when they aren't hungry and will continue to do so. Unfortunately many people see this as a reason to feed the bird large quantities of this particular food. A balanced vegetarian diet can be made from a mixture of fruit, vegetables and pulses. Pulses is a term used for peas and beans. The pulse mixture that I use consists of equal parts of mung beans, black-eyed beans, chickpeas and marrowfat peas with half a part of soya beans. I take equal quantities of apple and raw carrot and chop them into bean-sized lumps in a food processor. To this I add an equal quantity of pulses that have been soaked for 24 hours and then thoroughly washed and drained. It is also possible to gently cook the pulses rather than soak them. I then chop the whole mixture into pieces about 2-3mm in size. I add a suitable vitamin and mineral supplement and mix into the food. This is a low calorie well-balanced food and is suitable to feed throughout life to the larger parrots. It is also suitable for the birds whilst rearing their chicks. This diet is too low in calories for small parrots such as conures and parakeets or during the winter if the parrots are kept outside without heat in the UK. These birds should have some seed added to their diet. Macaws seem to need more oil in their diet and they should have some large nuts such as walnuts and Brazil nuts. Birds always tend to eat selectively. It is possible to prevent this by being careful about the amount of food that is fed each day. The birds should be fed twice daily. The apples/carrots/pulses mixture is fed in the morning. If it is finished, then later in the day extra food can be provided in the form of more mixture if the birds are breeding or seeds and nuts in birds that require them, especially in cold weather when the nights are short. The vitamin and mineral supplement can be changed when the birds are breeding. There are a number of water-soluble products that are sold to supplement vitamins and minerals, especially calcium. Even when the manufacturer's instructions are followed these products do not prevent deficiency. They should not be used or relied upon. All parrots should be provided with grit. The grit sold for pigeons is suitable. Parrots start to take it as soon as they are weaned. The big drawback with this fresh vegetarian diet is that it can ferment if left for a long time in hot temperatures. Pelleted diets are less prone to this. All-in-one pelleted diets are also the most convenient and suitable way of feeding single pet birds. There are a number on the market in Europe and the USA. Initially owner and parrot acceptance may be low, primarily because many birds do not like them. The client must be educated and they must persevere. Do not attempt to force an ill bird to change diet and do not force the bird to eat the new diet by starving it. Young adventurous birds will often make the change quickly; older birds do not. It is possible to introduce the pellets into the normal diet and slowly change the quantity being offered. Over a few weeks the bird will end up eating 100% pelleted food. However it takes a 'good' owner to make this work. If the owner is sure that the bird will not eat its new diet then it is best for the vet to take control. I admit the bird and tell the owners that I am going to keep it for a week. I then place a small quantity of the pellets in its food bowl. If possible I weigh the bird. I watch its droppings to see if the faecal portion disappears. Its gut is then empty and if it is not eating the pellets it has to be fed. I usually use a baby bird food made by the manufacturers of the pellets and give this two to four times daily by crop tube. The amount of supplementary feeding depends on weight loss of the bird. Weight loss is not common and the bird usually requires feeding only twice daily. It is rare for the bird not to be eating the pellets by day five. I tell the owners that the pellets are to replace the seed-based diet but that the bird still needs some fruit and vegetables and it can have its treats-pizza crusts, chips, nuts in small quantities. The pellets must remain as 80% of the diet. Treatment of chronic vitamin deficiencies is by dietary change. However owners should be made aware that full improvement will take a year. For acute problems, such as grey parrots with convulsions more aggressive treatment is required. I tend to avoid using injectable multi-vitamin supplements. In my experience they are a dangerous. Convulsant grey parrots or birds that are egg-bound should be given subcutaneous 10% Calcium borogluconate and be fed a baby bird food (10 mls for a grey parrot) with added calcium (Nutrobal, VetArk UK) by crop tube. The bird should then be put somewhere quiet and warm. Most birds lay their egg within a few hours.<br><br>Post edited by: lovemyGreys, at: 2008/03/20 20:37

We never want our Greys to become ill or sick but sometimes unfortunately they do.Here is some information on the medicine's that may be prescribed by your Avian vet. Information from exoticpetvet.. When your bird is sick, you take it to your vet, some tests are run and evaluated, and then a medication is prescribed. When administered as directed for the correct length of time, your bird gets well. That seems very straightforward, doesn't it? However, the simple act of choosing the correct medication for treatment is based on many different factors. Let's take a look at the complicated and confusing world of avian medications so we will have a better understanding of this subject. There are many medications used in avian medicine today. Veterinarians may choose to prescribe from drugs developed for human use, those labeled for use in dogs and cats, medications compounded from a pharmacy or less commonly, from those actually developed and labeled for use in birds. How a veterinarian chooses a drug to dispense depends on many factors, including the species of the bird, its age, its general condition, what type of disease it has, testing results, drug cost, drug availability, how the drug is formulated (pill, oral suspension, injectable, etc.) and personal choice. Drugs can be given orally, by injection, by nebulization, topically (in the eye, ear canal, etc.), in the cloaca or possibly by a transdermal patch. Medications usually have two names, the chemical name that is used to describe the drug, and the trade name that is the name given by a drug company to identify their brand of that drug. For example, there are many trade names for the drug combination, trimethoprim/sulfa, including BactrimTM and SeptraTM. For this reason, it is less confusing to use the chemical name when discussing a drug. Also, readers in other countries will probably not be familiar with trade names of drugs in our country and vice versa. A: antibiotic, one of a group of medications that are used to treat bacterial infections. Some are called broad-spectrum and are used to treat a wide variety of bacteria. Other are used to treat a specific group of bacteria (Gram positive, Gram negative, aerobic, anaerobic). Some antibiotics kill the offending bacteria (bacteriocidal), others just prevent the bacteria from reproducing (bacteriostatic). aerobic bacteria, bacteria that grow in the presence of oxygen anaerobic bacteria, bacteria that grow in the absence of oxygen ampicillin, an antibiotic in the penicillin family, not often used in avian medicine, since many bacteria that cause avian infections are often resistant to it amoxicillin, an antibiotic in the penicillin family, not often used in avian medicine, since many bacteria that cause avian infections are often resistant to it amoxicillin and clavulanate, a combination of drugs that makes amoxicillin more effective in treating some bacterial infections amikacin, an aminoglycocide (as is gentamicin), a potent antibiotic that must be given by injection, as it is not absorbed orally, can cause deafness and/or kidney damage, so fluids should usually be administered during injections to prevent kidney damage, may also be used in nebulization therapy amphotericin B, a potent antifungal agent, used for treating aspergillosis, given by intravenous injection, nebulization, or directly into the trachea, is toxic to the kidneys, also available in topical cream aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid), potent anti-inflammatory, useful for musculoskeletal pain, also will bring fever down B: butorphanol, a pain medication and cough suppressant, used to treat pain in avian patients C: ciprofloxacin, broad-spectrum antibiotic, made for human use, often used in avian medicine, was in the news during anthrax scare because it is a first choice antibiotic for treating that disease, is a fluoroquinolone, in the same family of antibiotics as enrofloxacin (BaytrilTM) cefotaxime, in the group of cephalosporins, an injectable antibiotic that crosses the blood-brain barrier, can be used to treat susceptible bacterial infections in the brain, and also useful for serious susceptible bacterial infections elsewhere in the body cephalexin, also a cephalosporin, can be given orally to treat susceptible bacterial infections, may be good for deep skin infections chloramphenicol, an older antibiotic that is bacteriostatic, chloramphenicol palmitate not available in U.S., but can be compounded, can be given orally, in humans and animals, can cause dangerous anemia chlortetracycline, an older member of the tetracycline family, formerly used to treat psittacosis (Chlamydophila), oral preparation, however doxycycline is preferred clotrimazole, an antifungal used as an adjunct to aspergillosis treatment, can be administered into air sacs, into the trachea, topically or by nebulization calcitonin, a hormone used to treat metabolic bone disease chorionic gonadotropin, a hormone used to inhibit egg-laying, also used to treat feather-picking due to sexually related disorders calcium EDTA, preferred initial drug to chelate lead or zinc related to toxicosis, given by injection carprofen, oral or injectable for pain relief chelating agent, a drug used to bind toxic elements (lead, zinc, iron) and remove them from the body safely cortisone, a corticosteroid that should be used with extreme caution in avian patients due to immunosuppressive properties cisapride, an oral medication to stimulate gastrointestinal motility, increases gastric emptying rate celecoxib, a COX-2 enzyme inhibitor, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, used to control symptoms of Proventricular Dilatation Disease (PDD), is not a cure D: doxycycline, a very effective drug for treating psittacosis (Chlamydophila), can be given orally, is bacteriostatic, also available as an injectable preparation that will provide blood levels for one week with just one injection (however, this drug preparation is not available in the U.S., also used to treat susceptible bacterial infections and mycoplasmosis dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA), preferred oral chelator for lead toxicosis, effective for zinc toxicosis diazepam, used for sedation, seizures, can be used with anesthetic agents, oral or injectable dexamethasone, a potent steroid, anti-inflammatory, used for shock and trauma, may predispose a bird to aspergillosis and other fungal infections diphenhydramine, antihistamine, used for allergic feather-picking E: enrofloxacin, broad-spectrum antibiotic, useful for a wide variety of infections, injectable (can be given orally), tablets, also available in a 3.23% solution for poultry that can be administered orally, multiple injections should not be given, as they can cause serious tissue damage, pain and nerve damage F: fluconazole, antifungal medication, fungistatic, useful for treating Candida yeast infections, can be combined with nystatin, another treatment for yeast fluoxetine, used as adjunctive treatment for depression-induced feather-picking, antidepressant flucytosine, an antifungal, fungistatic, can be used prophylactically in raptors and waterfowl to prevent aspergillosis, may be used as adjuvant for aspergillus treatment fenbendazole, an antiparasitic drug, not recommended for routine use in avian patients as it can be toxic, perhaps fatal in some species, and other antiparasitic drugs are safer and as effective furosemide, a diuretic, helps remove excess water from tissues, causes increased urination, can be used in treatment of heart failure, fluid build-up in tissues or celoem G: gentamicin, an aminoglycoside, can cause deafness and kidney disease, not absorbed orally, used in some eye preparations, can be nebulized or given by injection, not recommended for injectable use as safer, newer aminoglycosides are available glipizide, an oral agent that can be used in the management of diabetes mellitus H: halothane, an older inhalation anesthetic agent, not usually used in avian patients hydrocortisone, a steroid that should be used with extreme caution in avian patients due to immunosuppression, in some topical agents haloperidol, an oral medication used for behavior disorders and for frustration-induced feather-picking hyaluronidase, added to sterile fluids for injection, causes increased rate of absorption of fluids (such as lactated ringers solution) when administered subcutaneously, in some cases, replacing the need for intravenous or intraosseous fluids I: itraconazole, an oral antifungal agent used in the treatment of aspergillosis ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug, can be given orally, injectably, or applied topically, effective for mites, lice (ectoparasites), may not be as effective in eradicating ascarids, other nematodes insulin, injectable hormone for lowering blood glucose levels in diabetes mellitus, appears to have very short duration of activity in avian patients isoflurane, an inhalation anesthetic agent that is very safe for use in avian patients J: just can't find one for J K: ketoconazole, for systemic fungal infections including aspergillosis, candidiasis, may cause regurgitation, also may cause adrenal gland suppression, so can be dangerous for use in stressed birds, safer antifungal is available for treating candidiasis (fluconazole) ketamine, injectable dissociative agent, may be combined with other injectable medications to provide anesthesia ketoprofen, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agent, for analgesia, arthritis L: lincomycin, an oral or injectable antibiotic used for skin infections, pododermatitis, bone infections leuprolide acetate, a depot drug to prevent ovulation, may be useful for sexually-related feather-picking, for use in reproductive diseases, may be helpful in sexual aggression cases levothyroxine, treatment for hypothyroidism, obesity, lipomas, however hypothyroidism cannot be diagnosed by just one solitary thyroid test, hypothyroidism is very rare in pet birds, is probably over-diagnosed M: metronidazole, an oral or IV injectable bacteriocidal antibiotic/antiprotozoal agent, tablets are very bitter and should not be crushed before use, oral suspension is not available in this country, but can be compounded, treats anaerobic bacteria (such as Clostridium), treats Giardia and other GI protozoal flagellates, seems not as effective in eradicating Giardia as many isolates seem to be resistant now, so for treating Giardia, ronidazole may be a better choice methylprednisolone, corticosteroid, anti-inflammatory, may predispose a bird to aspergillosis and other mycoses, should be used with extreme caution metoclopramide, an injectable or oral medication used for gastrointestinal motility disorders (regurgitation, slow crop motility) N: nystatin, an oral suspension used to treat candidiasis (yeast infection), medication must contact the organism, so used most often to treat oral or gastrointestinal candidiasis, some isolates of Candida are becoming resistant to nystatin, so it may be used as a carrier for fluconazole (a systemic antifungal agent), any baby bird on an antibiotic should also receive an antifungal agent to prevent secondary candidiasis O: oxytocin, a drug for use in humans and mammals that causes uterine contractions and milk letdown, has been used by injection in cases of egg-binding, however, since birds are not mammals, this is not the best, most effective drug to use, but it may help a hen lay an egg in certain cases P: prostaglandin E2 (dinoprostone) gel, for use in cases of egg-binding, placed into cloaca, will help deliver an egg (if egg is not too large, there are not any complications, etc.) prednisone, prednisolone, corticosteroids that are anti-inflammatory, immunosuppressive, may predispose birds to aspergillosis and other fungal infections, should be used only with extreme caution (either orally, topically or injectably) piperacillin, injectable antibiotic in the penicillin family, good broad-spectrum penicillin G (procaine), the procaine in this injectable preparation used in small and large animals is very toxic in avian species and should not be used if safer antibiotics are available to treat the condition phenobarbital, an oral medication that can be used to try to control seizures in avian species, especially in cases of epilepsy pyrantel pamoate, an oral dewormer that is very safe and effective to remove intestinal roundworms, and other types of intestinal worms (except for tapeworms) praziquantel, a dewormer that can be used to remove tapeworms and some flukes, can be administered orally or by injection pyrethrins, topical preparation used to remove lice, mites, stick-tight fleas Q: quinacrine, oral medication rarely used to treat malaria (Plasmodium) in avian species R: ronidazole, oral antiprotozoal medication, very safe and efficacious for treating giardiasis in avian species (however, not produced for use in the U.S., but is available through companies in this country that import the medication for use in pigeons) S: sulfachlorpyridazine, powder antibiotic for susceptible bacterial infections of the gastrointestinal tract, also used to treat coccidiosis sulfadimethoxine, an oral and injectable medication used to treat coccidiosis (a type of protozoa) sevoflurane, newer inhalation anesthetic, similar to isoflurane, provides more rapid recovery T: tylosin, older antibiotic, used in nebulization, also orally to treat susceptible bacterial infections, also can treat Mycoplasma and Chlamydophila, however not the recommended drug for those infections trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole (or sulfadizine), oral, injectable bacteriocidal antibiotic combination, used for susceptible organisms triamcinolone, a corticosteroid often found in topical preparations used for dogs and cats, can be dangerous when used topically in avian species, may predispose to aspergillosis and other fungal infections tetracycline, an older antibiotic that is bacteriostatic, was used for treating Chlamydophila, Mycoplasma, spirochetes, rickettsiae, aerobic and anaerobic bacteria that are susceptible, also can be used to treat certain protozoal infections V: vinegar, can be used in drinking water (apple cider) to treat gastrointestinal yeast infections, also can be applied topically to mucosa of cloaca (everted) to check for evidence of papillomas vecuronium bromide, can be used to dilate pupils in avian species vincristine sulfate, treatment for avian lymphosarcoma, possibly leukemia, given intravenously X: xylazine, injectable agent used for sedation (seldom used in avian patients) Y: yohimbine, used to partially reverse xylazine Z: zinc, a metal that can cause weakness, depression, vomiting, diarrhea, increased thirst and urination, found in galvanized metal, some adhesives, some toys, pennies minted after 1982, and more, is associated with feather-picking in some birds, especially cockatoos, can be chelated

A man was sitting at a bar enjoying an after-work cocktail when an exceptionally gorgeous & sexy young woman entered. She was so striking that the man could not take his eyes away from her. The young woman noticed his overly-attentive stare, and walked directly toward him. Before he could offer his apologies for being so rude, the young woman said to him, "I'll do anything, absolutely anything, that you want me to do, no matter how unusual, for $20 under one condition." Flabbergasted, the man asked what the condition was. The young woman replied, "You have to tell me what you want me to do in just three words." The man considered her proposition for a moment, withdrew his wallet from his pocket, and slowly counted out four $5 bills, which he pressed into the young woman's hand. He looked deeply into her eyes, and slowly, meaningfully said, "Paint my house."

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Well im going to show that one to my son he loves Baked beans & they always make him fart :sick: :laugh:

{Feel-good-0002006E} Once there was a man who loved baked beans. He would eat up to 5 and sometimes 6 plates at a time, but that always be followed with smelly, loud, stinky gas. One day he met a beautiful lady and decided to talk to her. They started seeing each other. Since he did not want her to smell his nasty gas after eating beans, he made the sacrifice, and stopped eating them. One year later they were married. On his birthday, the next year, he was coming home from work, when suddenly his car broke down. He called his wife to tell her what had happened, and also to let her know that he would be home a little late. She said she understood, but to hurry, because she had a surprise for him. On his way he saw a diner and smelled baked beans cooking inside. Since he had to walk 6 miles to get home, he figured that by the time he got there all the smelly gas would be gone. He went in and ate 7 bowls of baked beans. On his way back home, he was farting nasty and smelly gas. Finally he got home and on the door his wife had hung a blind fold for him to wear, so he wouldn't peek. She sat him at the table, when all of a sudden the phone rang. She made him promise he wouldn't peek until she got back. Unfortunately, his gas came back and he couldn't hold it in any longer. Since she was taking so long, he decided to let it go. He picked up his leg and let it rip. It smelled so bad, he had to get a napkin and fan so she wouldn't smell it. He wanted to fart again, so he once again picked uo his leg, but this time it was so loud and smelly, that it shook the windows and killed the flowers. After a couple of more farts his wife finally got off the phone, so he stopped. When she took the blind fold off to his surprise, there were 12 guests seated at the table.

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yep Dan $$$$££££ is all that some breeders of any animal can see they dont care where the animals end up & people like us are left to pick up the pieces,like you & your rotties

Dan is correct in what he said, there is no 100 % guarantee & it will come down to the greys individual personalities .If you are prepared to have 2 cages etc.. then yes by all means get a second grey,but be prepared for all outcomes,they may get on, they may not,they may learn to tolerate eachother,they may bond & push you out,they may hate eachother, you might have to allow them time out of their cages seperately,Yes im lucky that i have 4 but they live in a big room,they have space to be alone if desired ,my 2 boys are bonded to eachother,all 4 are tame but that takes consistent hard work on my part by interacting with them everyday to retain that.

I agree these adverts make me cross as I'm sure they do all of us who own greys.Siobhan is correct that unfortunately people do not do their research before purchasing a grey or any other bird .They do not realize the lifetime commitment you must be prepared to undertake to own a grey.All to often looking through the ads i come across unwanted,unloved birds.If they had the birds welfare at heart they would sign them over to rescue centres & loving homes could be found but more often than not they want to get back some of the money they have laid out.i know only to well being involved with rescue work the amount of umwanted greys there are out there

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here is one link..you will need to scroll down the page if you have an ebay account you can but it off there as the postage is cheaper, also try northern parrots on the internet,if you order from a bigger company perhaps place a bigger order for other items to as the P&P is a fixed price http://www.robharvey.com/vitamins.html

Hear is a link on introducing new foods http://www.greyforums.net/forums/bird-food/53831-tips-for-getting-your-grey-to-eattry-new-foods.html

The only thing i would say is stick at it, i remember only to well sitting with my hand in a cage with 2 budgies trying to tame them i got there in the end,i would let them out to fly but always managed to get them to step on a stick to put them away.

Lovely picture, there so cute when they nap.

Thats ok, worth the wait,im sure Judy has the same cage for her josey.

It is a luxury, but the bigger the better lets us know what you decide on.If you dont have an ebay account you can set one up & i can e-mail the seller on your behalf.