Yea that did sound much. however I have 12 in Alcazar's but, his cage is hugeeee. Another thing about perches.It's good to have a sanded one because it trims the nails. I have 4 different types of perches. I have a perch across the middle of the cage with water bowl on one side and food on the other but their is a smaller perch in front of each bowl with the perch being slightly higher than the bowl. Its easier for Alcazar to reach food with his talon.