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There are two recent journal entries that you might find interesting and with photos embedded in it Riam at Siefa beach flying up to me on sand dune in stiff cross wind shanlung: Oman won 19th Gulf Cup//Riamfada outing to Yiti/Seifa beaches // Katie's first 'present' to us shanlung: Wadi walk: Al Wadi Al Saghir with Riamfada Warmest regards Shanlung<br><br>Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2009/02/03 20:30

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There was this article I read that I wished I kept. CAGS weigh from under 400 grams in Congo/Ghana region to 650++ in Kenya. So depending on the parentage of your CAG, the weight can be anything in between those ranges.

Hi Goralka, I wish you and your grey well. You will find later that I am my worse critic. And spelt out in detail the potholes I found, or made, on my path to a destination as unknown to me now or when I started. My latest update A Happy New Year to you all Taking Dommie & Katie out for walks // Riamfada accepted the new cat carrier http://shanlung.livejournal.com/93415.html

Yes, Your mom a real trooper. I hope she and Ash can put that behind them and get on real well together. Shanlung

Folks, Thank you. Baxtermom, If you are new to me, you might find it easier to go to this summary of what I did with Tinkerbell. There are URLs embedded in it to take you to more details should you chose. http://shanlung.livejournal.com/8284.html Goralka, I knew you just got into the grey world about the time Riamfada entered into my life. Your intro was heart warming. It brought back my own memories when Tinkerbell first came into my life and how happy I was as well as how frightened I was too. I do wish you all the happiness and magic that I know your grey will bring to you and all around you. It mattered little to me whether you chose to read me or not. By your own admission, you did not read, and hence you do not know. When you chose to try to cast aspersions and slurs on what I written, despite not reading me and knowing me (and I think with the best documented and transparent account on the web), I had to set my record straight and not let it be distorted. More for other readers and you if possible. Perhaps one day you might find the time to read some of what I have done, and perhaps you might even find it useful despite what you think of me now. Folks, I do try my best to continue on the chronicles of Riamfada. You will find a synopsis of that here. http://shanlung.livejournal.com/2008/12/ 21st 10:37a Tink Mash Biscuits/Riam knew colors/fistful of lanyards 23rd 10:47a Getting Riam to do a flyabout// how sickening could I get? - 1 reply 27th 3:23p Colors // Riamfada first lunch outing at Christmas // fishermen - 1 reply 28th 9:51a New cat carrier // Dommie harness Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/12/28 11:53 Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/12/28 16:20<br><br>Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/12/28 16:46

You did no wrong as you have to live in the wider context of home. Keeping harmony where you live is very important. Should I worry about karma points? I have next to nothing compared to you folks. Maybe I am a wicked person with loads of karmic debts from former lives. Shanlung

Somtimes I would just give the URL of my blog that I felt might be interesting enough. Such as this latest Getting Riam to do a flyabout// how sickening could I get? http://http://shanlung.livejournal.com/92468.html In this particular case, and because it originated from this thread, I will print this here in full. You might not wish to read it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Getting Riam to do a flyabout// how sickening could I get? 23 Dec 08 A faster Internet was returned to me this morning, courtesy of the French repair works on those broken undersea cables. Some photos had been added to my Flickr. You will see horrid Katie, and Dommie going up the ladder to try to persuade her as I related earlier. And you see photos of us and Dommie taking our walks. And how the Tinkerbell Mash Biscuits looked like. And how Riam would accompany me when I watched TV Here are some of those photos. More are in this folder Riam Mash Biscuits & walk (photos in blog) Dommie going up ladder to his crazy sister Katie walk with Riam and Dommie and wife taking photo walk with Riam and Dommie and wife taking photo In the early days of clicker training with Riamfada, I would do that in the morning before I went to work, in the afternoon when I was back for lunch and in the evening. He would be given his mash and I then had my breakie or lunch and a bit of vegetating, and I would go back to Riam with clicker and sunflower seed in hand. I have told how at times he would take a break from formal clicker training and his sunflower seeds to go and munch at his mash before flying out of his cage to resume training. So I think he loved his mash as much as sunflower seeds to have done that. Now, I would just go to see him after my breakie and before I went for work to give him a few seeds and head rubs. And the same during lunch. It was the evening where the bulk of clicker training and play with him. You seen in the video the response and speed of his response. I have no belief in mindless repeats after repeats. He would be bored , and I would be bored. From time to time in the evening, I would slip out of the beaded curtains and sliding mesh door to have a ciggie outside. So it was that way on Sunday evening when I did that. It was dark, but I guess Riamfada could still see me standing just outside keeping my eyes on him. He might be on his perch, and he would fly off, hover briefly near the door to eye me, and then continued around the room and back to the perch or the bar. He might do one and half circuit and land on ring. I love the way he did a circuit of the room and wondered if I could capitalise on that. This would be very important especially if we were outside. That the bird would fly in a big loop and return. This would be called a flyabout In the days with Tinkerbell, she would be placed somewhere and I would do a recall. I had tried a flyabout once with her, with disasterous and spectacular results. http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/wTsaoling2.html Other background reading Hoping to cue for 'flyabout' http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/wflyflyfly1.htm Hoping to cue for 'flyabout'2 http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/wflyflyfly2.htm I was thinking how I might try to teach Riam to do that flyabout clearly. With all those perches in the living room, it was too easy for him to land there instead of doing a circuit of the room to return to me. Then I thought of the dining room. I had planned to install perches for Riamfada to be used later in 'hide & seek' recalls, recalls from sight unseen places. The branch that you seen hanging from the ring perch was one of those I planned to use in dining room. But procrastination had gotten better of me and stuff that I should have done yesterday were put off to that day after tomorrow. And that branch hung on that ring instead. But dining room was clear, with a sofa chair used by catties to plot more mishaps on me and a small table in the corner used by my wife for Internet. I got back into the living room to delight of Riam who flew to me immediately. We then went to the dining room, a room that we always passed through from her room to living room. I stood to the side of the room with Riam on his hand perch and looked around me. I call to her 'fly fly fly' , twisted the perch to persuade him and he took off to this new cue. With no clear landing places, he flew around the room as I thought he would. I hold up the perch as the clear landing and called out 'Come'. He landed on that perch. He basically did a circuit and came back to me. I think he got that idea immediately. After lots of seeds and praises, I positioned him again. At my call of 'fly fly fly', he took off without me having to twist the perch. He flew that circuit of room and came to me on come. The room was not that big. Come came at the end of fly fly fly. My fly was drawn out. So it sounded 'f l y ...f l y ... f l y ... come'. That was repeated and done very successfully by Riam another 4-5 times. I think I got that mechanism of a flyabout to Riam, something I could not get into Tinkerbell as you seen in above earlier writings. This still had to be checked in the living room with those more distractions of hanging perches. And then later in the garden patio. And later on beach, desert , and top of mountains and everywhere we would go. You known of how I tried to get Riamfada to accept that cat carrier. That cat carrier ( refered to as cc) had been placed in his room. In the evening when he was taken to living room, that cc was brought out too. In snuggle sessions, I would sit near the cc. That cc also had a heap of sunflower seeds placed on top to encourage him to get that. In Riam's room, that cc was placed on the trolley and kind of near his high perch. You known from my rant below, http://shanlung.livejournal.com/91826.html I was engaged in heated dispute. You will need to go to that original thread of that dispute to understand fully. So it was on Monday morning when I woke up and stepping into Riam's room that I thought about how to further persuade Riam to accept the cc. Riam did not even want to fly there to eat the seeds in full sight of him. That dispute talked of the way you use hunger to impose your will as the bozo brothers private road to that promised land where your parrot will do and perform your will. Talking in thread there had this insidious effect on me. Through the perfidious process that we termed as logical rationalisation, I thought I could 'persuade' Riam to accept that cc. I could not use full hunger. What I did was to give Riam a quarter of the mash portion that morning. I rationalised that I was not starving him, and he could go to the seeds on that cc, and that was for his own good. After my breakfast, I went in to note with satisfaction Riam finished the mash and scrap clean that bowl. But I felt it strange he did not fly to me when I re-enter the room but was on his bar. He did step up slowly for me to get his seed. I moved back for recall. He slowly flap his wings in parody of flight and did not fly to me. I tried again, to get his flying parody. But unlike that parroty jokes he pulled, I sensed no humour from him. I took him out to the dining room and tried a fly fly fly with him. Instead of a full circuit of the room, he flew in a tight circle not more than a meter from me and back to the perch. And I had to twist the perch to fly him. I had to go to work. Then when I got back for lunch, I saw he had not gone to those seeds on cc as yet. I gave him quarter ration of mash in his cage. As I knew he liked the mash as much if not more than sunflower seeds (in the past, he had flown back to cage to eat mash in middle of formal clicker training with seeds), I had brought another bowl with mash and left that on top of the cc. After my lunch, I went to him to see he finished the mash in his cage and was on his bar. I went in with full formal clicker regalia. To get that flight parody from Riam. I rationalised that was for his own good that I had to be strong and compelled him. I got back from work in the late afternoon. He made no attempt to get that bowl of mash on top of the cc, or those seeds. I folded. I took that bowl from top of cc and hold that to him on the bar. He sank his head in and took a gobble of mash. I thought he was going to eat and eat. He then got his head out after that single gobble and head rub me with his head on my finger holding that bowl. He followed that with a gentle nibble on my finger. He then took another bite of mash, and head rubbed me, and nibbled me. And again, and again. I felt so ashamed from what he was doing to me. I stood there in atonement, with waves after waves of remorse in me. As to how I could have done that to him, using hunger to compel him, as if he was not my equal. I felt with shame how I could be so easily contaminated from writings of bozo brothers I spoke against. I promised Riamfada that never ever would I ever compel him with hunger again and I would always remembered he is my equal. And this episode would always be remembered with shame on my part. Later in the evening when I tried the fly fly fly come, I was sad he did not do that full circuit of the dining room like he did the first time. I accepted that in humility as the cost of my disasterous use of hunger on him. This morning, Tuesday morning, I went in to give him his full mash ration. I came back after my breakie to see with satisfaction that he ate much of it with some left over. I was holding perch and clicker, formal clicker regalia. He flew to me when I entered the room. He did all the recalls and fly to perch, fly to bar with military precision to the cues. I still want him to accept that cat carrier. But that will never ever be done using hunger to force him to do so.

Goralka08 She did free fly. Around the apartment vicinity, she was flown without harness. When I took her to far away places that she was not familiar with, or when she rode on the motorbike, she wore harness. So what is your point of stressing 'EXACTLY what free flying means' ? Do tell us. I did not know your time is so precious. For if you had clicked and read, what I wrote in this reply would have been known to you. I am sorry to intrude on your time with this reply of mine that might even have forced you to read. You certainly should save your precious time and not bother to reply.<br><br>Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/12/21 14:35

Folks, Thank you. Goralka08, Tinkerbell is my CAG in Taiwan and still in Taiwan given to the care of Mr Yu and his family. They kindly allowed me to visit them each year to take Tinkerbell out with me. Come March/April 09, I will be there again on holiday and be with her. The recent emails in this thread is on Riamfada, a rescued CAG given into my care in Muscat, Oman. He came to me 6 weeks ago, frightened of hands and refused even to do step ups. If you have read even a bit more of me, you know my background and what I have done. I was lucky to have walked with giants and used their shoulders to stand on and then went on into my path. Which is why Tinkerbell first flown by me in 2002 is still around and flown by Yu and will be around to unite with me. There are more birds in my life , but I will not bore you with talk of them as you seemed to have so little interest in details of what I have done. After all, a click on that URL above that photo above would have brought you to my blog with explicit descriptions and large photos showing the harness and other arrangements. And yet more preceding entries of the training that we did. You brought up Andrew and Tui as if that example must be taken to heart and lesson to remember. Andrew did not bother to find out as much as he could before he did what he did with Tui. Andrew chose to stand on shoulder of a dwarf with his CD of a private road to promised land, the same kind of private road flogged by Madoff. Things I wrote and because I gave freely of that, were deemed worthless by Andrew and below the dignity of his consideration. Because he think he paid for CD by a dwarf, he thought that was valuable. Tui paid the ultimate price. You bear that in mind please. Do not let Tui likely death to be in vain. That is discussed in further detail in a thread here http://www.greyforums.net/forums/limitstart/40/african-grey/109965-chetwwomack-bird-trickscom.html Do go there and read. For all other folks, here is a new entry I made. With Riamfada videoed in flying to specific places as cued by me, and a lot more stuff that I hope you would enjoy, or get a few laughs from. More Karmic retribution on Katie / directional flights / walking with Riam and Dommie http://shanlung.livejournal.com/92085.html Shanlung - I edited the links so they would work. :-)<br><br>Post edited by: danmcq, at: 2008/12/21 15:06

Do not let the loss of Tui to be in vain. That if Tui died, that death not be a useless needless death. Even if Andrew was that stupid to start with, its those bozo brothers that lead him on with their @$%^*()_&^% crap in their CDs. What other parrots that got lost that we did not know about? Why analyse what bozos had written? Part they must have stolen from others, part must be from b grade movies they seen, part of that a whole load of crap they made up. What they write make me want to puke. So bozo brothers can make their fast bucks and go laughing all the way to their banks? I hope bozo brothers kept their money in Madoff funds.

I think I go smell roses. Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/12/20 04:24<br><br>Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/12/20 04:38

:-) Thank you folks. My blog documented clearly the behavioural problems of Riamfada when he first came to me. And how step by step I overcame that. I never thought of how much 'training time' I spend until I read this thread and that assertion that those bozo trainers spend 4-5 hours 'training'. I wonder how many mindless repititions of step ups and stuff that would entail as if parrots are marionettes. Ah yes, STARVE them so that they crawl and beg and do whatever you want of them? *puke* I thought back and believe I did not spend more than 12 minutes of 'training time' each day with Riamfada. We spend lots of time being together, with him doing his thing and I doing my thing. We do not need to gooey eye each other all the time. Sometime later today, I would upload him flying to named places at home and other videos. You seen his response to my cues to be military like response in most cases when he felt like it. I wrote all that and charged not a penny, other than requests you give to animal charity if you can and you find what I wrote useful. Whereas bozos who gave crap, charge you all through the nose got folks running to him, money in fists,queing up to be ripped off in hope bozos in a CD or two will give you a private road to promised land. The last person with that private road to promised land we got to know was Madoff. Maybe I should charge an arm and leg. But I just cannot promise you promised land. I cannot lie through my teeth, or via finger tips on keyboard. Then maybe more will read what I have done, and more likely to get results than from those bozos. If Andrew read me instead of relying on bozos CD, his Tui might still be with him. And if he searched actively as what I tried to advise him instead of moaning that my writings of how I gotten Tinkerbell back provided him no magic bullets other than promise of lots of hard painful work for him, he might have gotten Tui back. But what I wrote was free, and no cost, and therefore 'worthless' So that is how it is in the real world. Maybe I should just go back to smelling roses instead.

mattpatresi wrote: ha ha ha! Need many hours a day? Or it is your fault you cannot follow their CDs? What other built in excuses did they manufactured with their CDs? ha ha ha ho ho ho Didn't Andrew lose his Tui because Andrew was stupid enough to base his training of Tui on Chet CD? I cannot afford to spend many hours a day on Tinkerbell,or Yingshiong, or now with Riamfada AND I DO NOT NEED TO KEEP THEM STARVED THAT THEY MUST BEG FOR FOOD EITHER TO DO 'TRICKS'. I think I did not spend more than 30 minutes each day on training them, especially with Riamfada now. Riam came to me 6 weeks ago, fearful of hands and would not step up. Here he was, last Saturday, outdoor with me and flying to me on recall

Riamfada first outing http://http://shanlung.livejournal.com/91173.html

Btw, quite a bit more of updates in Riam's blog. Some of that might be useful to you such as how to file claws without towelling. Take a look in http://shanlung.livejournal.com/2008/11/

She Thank you. I am glad I had that luck you wished on me as you can read below. Riam thumb his nose at me/ flying lunge / double locking that barn door http://shanlung.livejournal.com/84472.html

You might like the photos here Karmic retribution on Katie and Riamfada trust http://shanlung.livejournal.com/84195.html editted to remove that extra http to make the link work now<br><br>Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/11/12 14:23

Folks, Thank you. It is kind of strange how much creatures in my house can energise me. And birdies especially. As you all know, first was Tinkerbell, then came Yingshiong. Now it is Riamfada. Here is a trip over my last weekend, made without him. In the near future, you all will be seeing Oman through our collective eyes the way you had seen Taiwan via me and Tinkerbell. shanlung: Turtle watching at Raz Al Jinz and Riamfada independence

MisterT, You have not been the first to say my instruction for doing Tinkerbell harness is hard to find. There is a lot of things you got to do even before thinking of taking your grey out in harness or making the harness. It is not a matter of getting just any harness and stuffing a bird in. Not if you want to do so on a long term basis. So I 'packaged' that harness making with a lot of necessary background and stuff that should be read. I am fearful of giving harness making details direct. People will then make that harness and try to stuff their parrot in it and then wail later Tink harness is lousy as it did not work. I do not do as commercial harness out to make money, telling you that as long as you get their harness (and give them lots of $) , you can have a hunky dory time outdoors with your parrot. Harness will only work within the context of understanding. This is a road that only you can walk on. This is a relationship with a friend and companion. How to tell you about friendship is difficult as your personality and your grey personality will be different from me and Tinkerbell. You should first read this 'summary'. URL to Summary of Tinkerbell and Guide to the training and harness details here http://http://shanlung.livejournal.com/8284.html You can also find that in http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/ How I got into this and the training as well as the details (photo by photo) as how you can make Tinkerbell harness to the exact size of your grey. Commercial harness like you to think that 'one size fits all'. And if not, all kinds of buckles, bows , whistles and kitchen sink can be incorporated into their 'commercial harness' to make it fit. Tinkerbell harness weigh in at three grams, yes, just 3 grams. I needed a jewelry scale to weigh Tink harness. Other commercial harness do not even hope to come close. And when you read in summary and URLs embedded inside, you know truly how bad bad those other harness can be. You should also read Tinkerbell Legacy, or Part 2 of Tinkerbell webpage. Perhaps you might find that well worth your time. That was an interesting article from Pamela Clark you posted. I have lots of respect for Pam. However, personalities from intelligent sentients vary so much, I hesitate to agree with Pam. Her characterising of female greys differ vastly from my Tinkerbell. Her charactersing of male differ vastly from my current Riamfada who never seek to try to dominate me or to bite me. He is laid back. But that said, fids, including M and BP2s and known to be biters had been taken up by me, often to shock of their caregivers. I felt biters are fearful, and if you do the courtesy of granting them that bit more time, and take note of their likes and dislikes, they will come to you. Warmest regards Shanlung<br><br>Post edited by: shanlung, at: 2008/11/04 07:29

She, Thank you. And to all that spoke well of me, Thank you. But I think you gave me too much credit. Since I recorded much of what I have done, and in real time as well, checking back on those records will show I was a novice when I first started. Perhaps I have empathy with creatures. But so will you all, as all you need is to treat them with respect and dignity due to sentients of equal standing. And treat the training as a journey you travel together with your creatures. Not not you a trainer, and they are trainees. Both are trainees, and you prepared to learn from them as you want them to learn with you. Then what I have done, you all can do too if not better. If you want someone to truly respect and set as a standard, please choose that bird whisperer of Tsaoling as that standard. He is a person whom if I have not known personally, my imagination could not conjure him up. Where reality is indeed stranger than fiction. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The letters on that bird whisperer of Tsaoling The letters on that bird whisperer of Tsaoling are below in chronological order. They are all in Part 1 - Early Period of Tinkerbell. http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/wTsaoLing1.html http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/wTsaoling2.html http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/wtsaolingrevisit.htm http://http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/wtink2bottles.htm The visits covered a period of time as can be seen from the date of the letters. You can see in between the 2nd and 3rd visits the additions to the birds of that bird whisperer. He, that bird whisperer of Tsaoling, is the man that inspired me the most. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Warmest regards Shanlung

MisterT, :-) A long journey begins with that first step. You are doing well to find out as much as you can. I hope the notes I made on my particular journey can be of use to you. Warmest regards Shanlung http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9/

Riamfada and mash http://shanlung.livejournal.com/80503.html Riamfada Graduated from her room! http://shanlung.livejournal.com/80885.html I think my updates will be on regular basis. So do check back on regular basis. I send out notice only on exceptional events Warmest regards Shanlung

Riamfada with me now http://shanlung.livejournal.com/80338.html Warmest regards Shanlung

Good advice from Danmcq. Greys are empaths. Think good thoughts, and be firm mentally that you take no nonsense, and you have to take no nonsense. Remember you are equal. Thats the same for you too, Ajilon.