prrthead

Boy, do great minds work together or what:lol: I have Echo sitting with me right now. He is in the smaller cage I use to take him to the doctor's. It has a large wooden perch, hanging toys and even some foot toys. We have been giving each other kisses through the bars. As far as the first vet. He is a she! I am not even going there. Where we live in is a small coastal city on the west coast. I always try to stay active in the different community ventures and have met quite of few people. One of my friends is exactly on the City Council. I have meet some pretty interesting people at her cookouts and get togeters. I think you can get my drift! This lady vet messed with the wrong person!!!! Unfortune for Echo he has another vet visit on Monday just to check his progress. I was told it would take about two weeks for him to heal. I am looking into some avian vets further south. It will take me at least an hour to get there but he is well worth it along with my other "kids" Cyber hugs from me to you too!!! Love it!:cheer:

Mary, He didn't suggest lowering his perches I did that on my own. As we talked about, Echo spooks really easy so I wasn't going to take the chance. I know what you mean about doing things for our pets. I had a little Yorkie that developed diabeties and went nearly blind. I had to give her insulin twice a day and also test her just like a human. Her name was "Buffet" after Jimmy Buffett the leader of us parrotheads:lol: She lived a little over a year with her illness before she finally passed. Now we have two boxers, Katie and Charlie. When Katie was alittle under a year old we had to have surgery done on her hip. The bone that fits into her pulvic bone (I think that's right) had torn away. My personal vet did not do that type of surgery so we had to go to Orlando to have it done. It took Katie 12 weeks to recover. Someone had to be with her 24/7 for the first two weeks, she could only go outside on her leash just long enough for her to do her business and then back in the house. My home then had all tile floors so we had to go out and buy I forget how many area rugs to cover the tile so she wouldn't slip. After many trips to Orlando to have her progress checked, Katie nows runs and plays with the best of them. No one would know that baby has a steel plate holding her bone in the right place with steel pins. So yes Mary we go through whatever it takes for our four legged "children" and now my "feather" child. This with Echo is a walk in the park for me:) As for myself, a long soak in the tub and a glass of wine does wonders. Thank you for asking. I will keep you posted. Mary

Hi Mary, You are right on with that advise. The vet and I talked about the very same thing. I read somewhere most likely here at the forum about putting a towel at the bottom of the cage just in case he does fall off a perch or from the side of the cage. That was one of the first things I did when we got home. Staying in his cage will be hard on him and myself not being with me and everything when I'm home. I know it is for the best! I put his playstation in another room so he couldn't see it. Again thank you all for being here for me. Mary and Echo and of course Zoe

Hello Everyone! I live in the Crystal River area of florida and are looking for a COMPETANT Avain vet in my area. I have been batting zero with the ones I have gone too so far. If you could please share with me your vet for your grey I would really appreciate it. Thanks,Mary

Well everyone I just got back from the vet's. I had a 3:00pm appointment (or so I thought).It is now 31/2 hours later. When I first got there they put us in a exam room where Echo and I waited for an hour. At the time the tech (the one who was incompetant to begin with) tells me that the only way the vet would see him is if I let them take him back to the emergency area and when she could she would check him out. They wanted me to leave him!!! I told her that her office had called me and gave me the 3:00 pm. appointment because the vet was concerned and wanted to see him so they changed the schedule around. She pulled a face and said I'm telling you what the dr said, what do you want to do. I was about ready to pull her hair out but kept my cool.:angry: :angry: I counted to about 100 and then told her okay, but please be careful taking him out of his cage because he feaks out and I've been working with him on not doing that. She then told me that they were trained techs and knew what they were doing! Well I looked at her and said you're the one that made him get hurt in the first place. At the point she dropped Echo's carrier on the floor and stomped out. I was doing all I could to kept it together. The next thing I know the sec was telling me that the doctor felt because of my lack of trust in her staff I had to go elsewhere. She called another vet that told her he could see him and for me to bring him there. I was really proud of myself, I didn't end up in jail for assault. I went to the other hospital and saw the doctor there that wasn't even an avian vet but was studying under the vet that was. At this point I just wanted someone to look at him and tell him he would be okay. He did just that and cleaned it with an iodine solution. In his exam he did find another cut higher on his chest. I was shocked because I didn't even see any blood there. But he showed me and sure enough. I told you all how scared he was of everything and flies off my hand at the slightless thing. He has a play area on my desk for when I'm on the computer with toys and everything. Last night I got up to get some paper towels, my desk can get a little messy and he flew down to where I was. All I can think of is that had to be when he cut his chest again. I tell you I am at my wits end. I have to clean both areas twice a day with that iodine solution for probably two weeks -no problem, I would do anything for this guy. I just don't know what to do about him flying at the slightest thing. Well guys that is how my afternoon went. Echo is now sleeping in his "home" Poor little guy he really does need some rest. Catch you all later.<br><br>Post edited by: prrthead, at: 2008/06/20 01:27

I am on my way to the vet's now. Thank you for being there for me. I will let you know how we make out.

I just read my post and I can't even spell I'm so upset. Sorry!

He will "step up" on my hand-no problem. Maybe I wasn't ever clear. lovemygreys suggested I put presure on the cut so it would clot. I put him on my lap and tried to turn him on his back so I could get a better look. No way- no way - no way. I know I have to learn this for him but right now I don't think I can do it. The vet is an avian vet and has several parrots of her own. I know one is a cockatoo because he is there in the office I not sure about the others. I cannot find another vet locally and my vet from where I moved is on vacation. I will be at this vet's office at 1:00 when they get back for lunch. And sit there all day if I have too.<br><br>Post edited by: prrthead, at: 2008/06/19 18:26

I know that this is not going to make a lot of you happy but I have not "toweled" him before and don't know how. I am here by myself and don't want to try and hurt him any more. I'm so afraid he will fly down on it and make it worst. I am trying to find another vet in this area. Please keep your fingers crossed. If I can't find another vet I will go and plop myself in their faces until they see him.

This is Echo's mom. About two weeks ago I had Echo to a new vet due to us moving to a different area. When it can time for them to towel him the tech spooked him and he flew down on the floor and cut his chest. The vet said it was just minor and she would just glue it. I just went over to talk with him and he is bleeding from that area. I called that vet's office and they told me they were really busy and they want me to leave him. First of all his travel cage is not very large and they said it maybe two or more hours before the vet can see him. I Don't feel comfortable doing that after what happened. Please advise quickly! Post edited by: prrthead, at: 2008/06/19 17:41<br><br>Post edited by: prrthead, at: 2008/06/19 17:41

Hello Everyone! I am a new member to the forum. I purchased my sweet Timneh Gray in October 2007. I also have a Black Headed Caique that took my heart in Dec. 2006. My Caique is great and we love him very much. They are know to be the "clowns" in the bird world and believe me they are. He has had us laughing so hard our stomachs hurt. Then there is Echo our Grey. I cant' put into words how this little guy holds the strings to my heart. He is like having a little man in grey feathers love you and show you just how much you mean to him. I never imaged that a bird could do that. I can certaining understand why Greys rule and it isn't just their talking ability its the way they effect your heart. I am so happy that I have found this website. For the short time I have been a member I can already see there are some great people here. Thanks to all that have helped me and thank you in advance for the help I know that I will need in the future. I have a lot to learn. Mary<br><br>Post edited by: prrthead, at: 2008/06/18 00:34

Yes it is. That was way I was kind of confused. :blush:

Oh goodness! I am so sorry, Mary Mary Mary Mary!!! Thank you for the thumbs up! Mary H.

Hello BITES, thank you for asking about Echo. My husband and I have sat down and had a lenghty conversion about "my little man". He has also read all the great advise I have obtained. Over the weekend he has made it a point to sit closer to me when I have Echo and Sunday morning all three of us sat at the breakfast table. Echo didn't get too close to him and just kept looking at him. My husband and I talked but he didn't say a word to Echo or make eye contact. He did break off a piece of his toast and put it on the table so Echo could see it. Echo slowly went over and picked up the toast and run like the dickins:laugh: My husband and I just smiled but Echo didn't take flight so I felt as though we had made some progress. I know it is going to take a lot of time and patience on our part but both of us are ready and willing. I will keep everyone that helped me posted on his progess. Again thanks to everyone, you are all great and I am so grateful that I have found this site. I only wish I had before "my little man" came home.

You know the more I think about when all of this started to get worst was after my trip. The first thing I asked my husband when I got home was, Did you have any problems with Echo? Did he let you feed him without going crazy? The answers were all no. I felt that all was good and being away for those three days was okay. We will be going down to the Keys for a week the end of August. We have a pet sitter coming to the house who is a vet tech to care for the birds and dogs. Do you think this will cause more problems? Please be honest and let me know. In the mean time I will follow your advise and start from the beginning as if we just brought him home. I will share with my husband all the things he should do to gain his trust. I know my husband likes this little guy. He was the first one to see him at the show and called me over to meet him. I want to thank you again for all you help and concern for my little guy. You are a wonderful person even though you were traumatized as a young girl in child care. :)

You are awesome bettyboop to be going through all this to help my little guy. There has been no change in the house or me. Same old hairdo,color and cut. No nailpolish goes with working in child care. I wish I could give you something to go on. Oh, wait a minute, I did go on a three day cruise with my daughter in late April for a early mom's day gift. Could that have anything to do with the change in him. My husband was home alone with him and told me it took all he could do to feed him without going crazy and lungeing. I did talk with him at dinner about the advise you had giving me and he said he would read it over for himself and do whatever he could to build a good relationship with Echo. He knows how much that would mean to me. Let me know if you think those three days away could have anything to do with his fears.

logging out for now. going to dinner.

He was very shy for the getgo. At first he would let me pass him to my husband. He would even stay with him for awhile when we were watching TV. I would sit in a different chair so he couldn't get to me easily. The clever little boy though would work his way down my husbands legs (had up in recliner) to his toes then fly over towards me. He would even let my husband pick him off the floor and put him back on his play station or cage. He never did accept food from him though and it was in those attempts that he bit my husband serveral times drawing blood. My husband really did try. But he finally said that Echo was my bird and thats all it is to it. We were already in our new house when I got him. His flying off may hand or arm started not long ago. In fact I was over by the pool checking to see if my palms needed water and out of the blue he yelled and flew into the pool. My husband said he had never seen me move so fast. Luckly he kept flapping his wings and I was able to get him. I don't take him with me by the pool any more. We have had some workers come to the house to service some items. His cage door was opened and before I could get to him, he was flying out of his cage and scared one guy to death. He didn't even see him in his cage. I really don't know what to do, I am so afraid he is going to get hurt.

I have had Echo since Oct 14th 2007

Don't worry about the comment about child care it made me laugh. The more I think about the day I found this little guy the more I realize that you are probably right about the only for profit thing and him being left in his cage. The cage he was in at the show was very little. He could just about stand up. There were no perches, toys, or anything except a water bowl. When we come home and put him in his new home the little guy didn't even know how to get from one perch to another. We only had three at the time and he didn't even seem to know how to get around in his cage. We thought all of this pretty odd due too we also have a blackheaded caique we purchased on Dec. 06 and this little guy goes non stop until its his bed time. He had no trouble adjusting to his new home. But every bird is different like people. We do give Echo alot of time out of his cage. He is with me now playing in his basket of toys. He will stay out of his cage either with me or on his play station. He is very sweet with me and I know that he does love me. My husband knows how important he is to me so he will try to make things better. Again thank you for all your help. Echo thanks you too.

I hope that you are wrong about him being mishandled as a baby,baby. The thought of that makes me sick. I am a BIG animal lover and can't imagine anyone mistreating a animal of any kind. Sorry about your child care experience LOL. I have owned my center now for 21 years and know that at times it does seem like all the kids are "Children of the Corn" I love them all and admire all my staff for the wonderful work they do with these kids in getting them ready to enter the school system. Everything you suggested is well worth a try. You're about my husband he is afraid of being bite again. I don't know if he will be willing to try again. Echo does not like him at all. He flips out even when my husband tries to help me in feeding. However I will let him read your advise. It is certainly worth it if it will help Echo. As far as taking him to work slowing and take him home after just a few hours. We have recently moved to the west coast and I have an hour drive one way. I will try to work out a different schedule for a few days a week. Again thank you very much.

I just left Ronda477 a message. Hopefully she will be able to help. Thank you for caring and your advise. I'm signing off for now. Work in the morning. Good night.

The kids have access only if I let them. They were all really good with "Matida". They all would walk by her cage in the morning and tell her "good morning" or "hello". When they would go home they would tell her bye bye if she was still there. Matida's mom was my cook and she would take her home every day then bring her back in the morning. Thank you for caring.

No. Let my explain. I own a child care center. My office is pretty private unless I have my door open. If I bring him to work I would have my door open most of the time so he would be able to see people coming and going. My director spends alot of time in my office also so I was hoping that she would talk with hime also plus other staff members, parents and the children. We had a green cheek conure that would reside in the hallway and everyone just loved her. She passed recently and everyone misses her very much. I thought that maybe bringing Echo with me to work would help both him and the kids.

Let me ask you this. I can bring him to work with me. Do you think that this might help? Again though remember that he flies off my hand, cage, or play station whenever someone come by. He will have the same freedom in my office that he has here at home. I don't like him in his cage unless I have to leave the house or in this case my office.