Inara

That is really great progress already! I can really relate to your excitement and happiness at finally having found your Grey, and two of them at that. They both will sense how pleased you are to become companions and will thrive under such thoughtful care. Thanks for the update. Would love to see pics when you have the time. Are you going to keep their current names or change their names as you get to know them better? Am so glad you three found each other

Agree. Inara has been trying to teach me as we are learning some bi-directional communication. She has two sounds that she repeats that are distinctly "hers." When we are chatting back and forth she will make them. She was very pleased when I was able to mimic one. The other, I just tell her, "I don't know how." She then would make the sound that I could make, and would/will wait. I repeat that sound. She then will whistle and wait. I will repeat the whistle. She then makes the other sound and waits. I tell her, "I don't know how." She goes through the process again. I finally just started saying, "Quack," when she makes the 2nd sound. Naturally, now she enjoys "quacking." My point being, that she is consciously attempting to teach me as I am with her. I have no doubt about that. To bring this back on topic to Alex, it is difficult and unreliable enough with humans to use intelligence measurements/metrics cross culturally. When we attempt to measure non-human species' intelligence using human standards, we can only approximate at best isolated bits and pieces. This allows us, as Dr. Pepperberg and others have shown, to understand that non-human species are far more "intelligent" than were considered for centuries, thus leading to better treatment, conservation of, and empathy for non-human species. What I personally find interesting is that the emotional centers of parrot brains are more developed than those sectors in our human brains. Now that would be an interesting area for further research.

That is a really good question, JanMarie, and you will get lots of good advice here, there are also many good threads in the Training section of the forums. The following has worked well for me in the past with two rescue birds and I know others will have great advice to give you also: 1) Slow down, it's OK for you to not let her roam out of her cage for awhile. Let her just stay in her cage where things are safe and where she can observe you and your family. It is not going to hurt her at all to stay in her "home," while she learns that she is now in a safe, stable, dependable environment. 2) Be consistent about the routine of going up to her quietly and calmly and just talking with her, and offering her a few choice treats that are not in her regular food. Doing this several times a day. If she doesn't want to come toward you for the little treat, drop it into an empty dish in her cage, so that she can get it on her own. Then day by day, wait until she takes a little move toward you or that dish before dropping the treat in and praise her in a calm, but upbeat voice. 3) Only give her food and treats when she is in her cage (for now), so that she associates her cage/home with good things. In her past, apparently her cage meant being locked away and banished to another room. 4) After a period of a few days (or however long it takes) when you see that she appears calm and relaxed and stabilized, then and only then begin thinking about having her step up. It's my (very opinionated) opinion that many people rush this contact and don't spend enough time just allowing a new companion to get very well acquainted. Most of us would not like a stranger or someone whom we've had little contact with poking us at our feet and tummies, handling us and ordering us around. Frightening and stressful. 5) Once you feel she is feeling well integrated into your home and family, then you can use one of several different techniques. As skittish and as bitey as she is, toweling her is just going to make it worse. By doing this, you are becoming in her instinctual mind's eye a predator rather than a flock member, so she is going to be fearful and try to defend herself. If you do continue to allow her to come out of her cage on her own, and then continue to towel her in order to get her back in, going back to her cage and you become really negative experiences. That's why in the long run, it's better for her to be in her home, to get well acquainted and relaxed with you and your husband, learn that good things happen when you are around her, and when she is in her cage, and then and only then begin asking a bit more from her. Trust is everything. 6) There are several youtube videos that show how to train the step up technique and also many good articles on the web, and with her, you may have to begin by using a stick to begin bridging between her cage perch and a going out/going in perch. This should only be done after both you and she are relaxed and comfortable with one another. Talk with her as you clean her cage, as you bring her food, and take it all a bit slower. When she whistles and beeps, respond to her in the same way. Repeat her whistle to her. She is stressed, has been through a lot and needs some time to just really adjust to all the newness around her. The patience and time you put in now, will have so many wonderful rewards for both you and her in the lifetime to come that you will share together.

That is really good information. I, too, did not think that after only 2 years that this cage should have that kind of wear and tear, and am now wondering if Inara's original humans bought it used and then passed it off on me as as much newer than what it is, or that it is a very cheaply done powdercoat. I only use Poop-off wipes on it, and a boiling water/vinegar mix to clean it and I use cloths and paper towels. Our climate here in the Rockies is high and very dry, so rust is usually not a problem. Thanks for pointing out the grades/quality of stainless steel, I'm definitely aware and now with so many cheap knock-offs out there manufactured who knows where, as Shane has stated, it's quite a job choosing a cage these days. Could you tell me what brand your cages are? I'd also, (and I'm sure Shane would too) be delighted for any other brand recommendations. I don't recall if the forum posting rules discourage brand recommendations, if so could you private message me? I'd like to get Inara's cage replaced soon, and then will put this one out on our front deck and just use for morning "coffee squawk" and fresh air and sunshine with me in the warm spring - fall mornings. One of the many reasons I appreciate this site, so much great information and sharing. Thanks!!

Can't wait for the next installment!! Don't know how I missed this thread. Dayo, you have me enthralled.

While correlation doesn't mean causation, the longevity in rescues and sanctuaries as opposed to in private homes that you are seeing could simply be speaking to the fact that so many parrots are abandoned and surrendered, and had they stayed in their home of origin perhaps would have also reached 22+ years. Or, the presence of other confounding variables like out gassing of materials in modern homes, lack of good nutrition (i.e., feeding lots of human junk food and pesticide laden foods), lack of veterinary care, improper breeding practices, etc., and the stressors of being moved from home to home for creatures who are flock oriented and that bond heavily. I just typed this without taking a look at any studies first, so buyer beware I'll pm you my email addy, I'd be interested in reading the Cosmo study.

Wayne, my heart just breaks for you and your wife. There are just no words to convey how grievous this situation is. You have to be so devastated. Having gone ahead despite your telling her it was not wanted nor necessary is just plain wrong. Nothing will bring your beautiful Lilo back, and only you and your wife can know what will be the best course of action for you. I'm just so saddened for you.

Congratulations, and yes, definitely details. How old, where did he come from, why did you choose him and he choose you? I'm always interested in why we not only choose a bird for a companion, but why we choose a specific type of bird. Can't wait to hear all about Zazu -- love the name!

If the wings are dropped and held slightly away from his/her sides, with the little clucking whimpering sounds, and a bit of quivering, and stepping back and forth, turning the back to you on occasion during this, this can also be mating behavior. This would not be unusual this time of year in the northern hemisphere.

My thoughts: Alex -- Alex's name was originated from Avian Learning Experiment. Alex was a laboratory specimen who in order to be studied was kept in an unrealistic environment when compared to companion birds. It was apparent that he was bored with the constant repetition, Dr. Pepperberg herself was aware of this, but for reproducible results this was considered necessary. In order to garner and keep funding and positions at various Universities, Pepperberg was obliged to trot Alex out to do and re-do and re-do his activities so that she could keep a roof over his and her head while continuing this important study, albeit at the time with an N of 1. It is apparent that Alex was held in much esteem and affection by the grad students who worked with him, and as well as Dr. Pepperberg herself. I also agree, due to his special circumstances, he likely received more daily stimulation than most companion birds -- however, the form of it was tedious. Companion greys -- I agree that many people see a specimen like Alex and are inspired to want to "own" one for her/himself, without doing any research, without reading and self education first, and without giving serious thought to a lifetime of commitment. By age 10 many parrots have been in 7-8 different homes, once the novelty wears off. I don't think anyone here believes that Dr. Pepperberg was neglectful of Alex, but their empathy for the working conditions of Alex speaks well for all of us who keep a watchful eye on the treatment of laboratory animals. Alex is legendary and has taken on a mythical status that has and does, I believe, contribute to the pet trade in CAGs and the subsequent disappointment and abandonment of many birds. Is it the fault of Dr. Pepperberg? No. The same happens after major dog shows, or cute commercials on TV, etc. Animals are impulsively bought and are "trendy," then later are neglected, rehomed, rescued, surrendered or abandoned. We as stewards of our companion birds, and our Greys especially, need to accept responsibility for continuing to educate people about parrots, their plight throughout the world, and the shameful conditions under which many are kept and the lack of legislation about humane treatment in pet stores, breeding facilities, and in experimental settings. OK - -off my cracker box now. Inara's Human EDIT: Just making clear that I do not think that Alex was kept under inhumane nor neglectful conditions

Welcome, Shane, and congratulations. Will be looking forward to photos, and lots of updates on your new companion.

What a horribly sad situation, with so many similar situations happening to thousands of parrots everywhere. Naturally, Dolly would not be keen on going back into her cage, since one of the last times she did, she was banished to an attic alone for months. It's natural to have a world of expectations when we adopt a bird, even though we tell ourselves that we know it will take time, to be patient, etc. The best advice I have, is to have no expectations of Dolly, other than she be a parrot in a safe, calm, and dependable home, where she consistently gets her needs met for food, shelter, stimulation, and socialization even if the last takes place from afar. Get a pocketful of tiny bits of a treat that she enjoys, and slowly and calmly (but not creepily slow) in a natural, relaxed, matter of fact way approach her in her cage several times a day and talk gently to her in a near whisper (this is something that pairs often do in the wild) and offer her a tidbit. Keep relaxed, and over time, she will begin to associate your hands and you with a soothing, positive experience. When misting, refrain from (and you may already be doing this) spraying the mister directly at her. The hissing noise combined with the direct water spray is a bad combo until she eventually associates misting with something that is harmless and that feels good. Spray the mist near her and upward if you can so that a light mist comes down upon her like a light rain. She still may not like the sound (parrots are hardwired to not like snakey sounds and hisses are also a way they warn off another bird) so you can try having some white noise like running water or some other sound going on in the background. Give her a really nice treat immediately afterward, and praise her in a calm, but enthusiastic voice with something like "that felt good!" I would suggest that your husband be the one who does this with her, and that you limit all of your contacts with her for awhile to only positive experiences (just the going back and forth to her cage, talking softly, and offering tidbits) and take it a bit slower. She's been through a lot. So glad she has found such a good and considerate home. She will flourish, and you will enjoy a relationship with her. It takes time, consistency, and a lot of patience with the focus being on her needs as a bird being met until she comes to understand that humans, even female humans are trustworthy and dependable. You can do this

Here is a good link to one person's review and information on various cage brands: Cage Brands Hope this is helpful. My Inara came with a powder coated cage (can't seem to find a brand marking on it anywhere). She is a little over 2 years old and the powder coating is scratched and chipped in the areas that she uses most. So I am now in the market for a stainless steel cage -- but OUCH on the prices for the cost up front. However, to break the cost down over her lifetime, the cost is worth it rather than having to replace cages every couple of years. I'd like to hear from some of our members about what brand of powder coated cages they have and how they have held up and for how long. Certainly, there have to be good quality, sturdily coated ones out there. Good topic!

Couldn't have said it better! What wonderful news!

Agreed. It's not unusual for the bird to assist the feather drop during preening when it is close to dropping. Usually, the feathers will be molted symmetrically, one from one side and one from the other. Your companion is beautiful and looks very relaxed and well cared for. Thanks for sharing the photo.

Congratulations on your new companion. And watch that "old lady" stuff, I resemble that remark :D ! Read through the forums here, there is a wealth of information and well worth the time. Here is an excellent article that you will find well worth reading: Understanding Parrot Behavior Naturally Will look forward to hearing all about your new adventures

Really enjoyed this thread. Inara's former people had said that she had become very "bitey" and she had nailed one of them so hard that there will be a scar. I have underneath it all thought that this might have prompted them more to wanting to rehome her, than the 'economic' reasons. Once that fear of handling our companions sets in, it's hard to extinguish and they sense it. Having had only older birds in my past, this thread was/is especially helpful to me as Inara is now about 27 months old and definitely asserting herself, although (so far!) she really is not bitey with us. She will just get "beaky" when she's tired, hungry, or otherwise ready to go back to her cage for some quiet time. It's good to know what to look for as she matures sexually, and socially, as well as physically. Thank you for a great post!

I am sure I will and am in no huge hurry. That sure would have been a lovely environment for Inara if the spacing was better. She is such a curious and eager little thing that I know she'd be poking her head out in a heartbeat if she could. Sometimes a bargain, is not really a bargain, as you know. It just felt good to hear someone whose opinion I respect confirm that I did the right thing. Thanks Judygram !!

Well bless her little heart. It makes me feel so sad when any living creature is neglected and kept in unhealthy surroundings. Gracie is so blessed that you were her "meant to be" human, and that she can now live out her life with the love, care, and respect that she deserves. She will flourish under your care, and you will each discover many wonderful things about each other. Thank you for keeping us posted on how she (and you) are doing.

to temporarily cover windows and mirrors with "frost" as your fid learns to navigate. Also, there are some great cling films out there. My Inara is a bit over two years old and never learned to fly. So we, too, are working on flying. I move her mobile perch close to my sofa, and then call her down towards the bottom of her perch and encourage her verbally with excited "you can do it! Rock and roll with your big wings!" until she gives it a shot and flies from there to a safe landing near my hand on the sofa. I am gradually moving the mobile perch back further and further. This is teaching her "recall" as well as giving her a safe landing zone. However, with your little one, circumstances are much different because he's doing what comes naturally. So others here will no doubt have advice that is better suited to your little guy.

Hi Jacob and welcome! Let me tell you about Timneh L O V E ! In the 70's through 90s I shared my life with a wild caught DYH Amazon who never uttered a word (he was a mess when he came to live with me, had been neglected and abused); and a wild caught Congo AG who was in the same shape. They were much older, and while the 'zon never spoke a word, I adored that guy! The CAG eventually talked up a storm even though his last round of former people said that he did nothing but scream and shriek. Loved them both to pieces and wouldn't have traded either for the world, despite all the neuroses and vet bills. Fast forward to after each of their passings, and several years of being birdless. After taking an early retirement, I decided that it was time for the last bird of my life. I was searching for a Congo, and had looked at a few when I stumbled upon this beautiful, brilliant, and adorable two year old Timneh. She took me completely by surprise and I am totally besotted with her. Her original humans paid $1400.00 for her as a baby (in our area); hand raised her until 24 months old and she came to live with me with her cage, toys, and play perch for slightly more than that price. Her people had decided that due to economic circumstances she needed to be "rehomed." What was less important to me than the dollar amount, as I could have picked up any of the CAGS that I had looked at for much less plus cage(s), was the fact that she is just such a fantastic girl! She immediately decided I was going to be her human, and she never looked back for an instant, and neither did I. She's only lived with us for about 6 weeks now. She settled right in, was amenable to being weaned off southern comfort food and onto a much more parrot healthy diet, and she not only has begun talking up a storm but we're working on true language usage and not just repetition. The other folks here know that I consider her my "mid-life-sports-car-model" of a companion bird. To take that auto metaphor further, if my CAG was a Corvette, my Timneh is an F1 car. :D She's sleek, quick, and high performance. Snuggly? Well that's a word that's relative. She is very affectionate, though. She immediately gives me kisses whenever I pick her up, she loves to have me stroke the feathers from the top of her shoulder blades backwards to the top of her head, and she now loves to have me "tickle toes" -- she lifts up her toes for me to tickle, and will verbally ask for it. She can become a bit "beaky" when she's tired or hungry, but is not "bitey." I have been a bit under the weather the past few days, and yesterday while I was lying on my side on the sofa, she got up the nerve to do a short flight from her play perch to land by my chest (we're working on flying as she never learned how), then softly preened my hair and gently put her little foot onto my face. I could go on and on about her, but I have to say that while I consider her my "little bird," her personality is complex and fantastic. As for her coloring, I say that she is the "Goth" version of the Grey family. hahaha All that being said -- get the bird you love, get the bird that wants *you*. I can say having experienced both CAG and TAG (however, both having been brought into the world under completely different circumstances) -- I would re-choose my Inara in a heartbeat, but I would also re-choose my Lestat (my departed CAG) in an instant. Lestat was definitely a "rescue" and Inara was "rehomed." More than just semantics there, but my own philosophy is that there (as you are acutely aware) are so many birds who need homes that perhaps you can find a young one like I did that needs a home, rather than going for a hatchling? To make a short story even longer, don't hesitate at all about a Timneh -- just be ready for how light s/he will feel to you compared to a 'zon or a CAG.

waaaaa!! OK, now that I got that out. I've been researching and looking at stainless steel cages for HRH Inara. Last night I checked our local area Craigslist and found a barely used Animal Environment SS, and the price was fantastic. (Rocky Mountain area people, check the CO Craigslist). It is their cockatoo size (the cage that came with Inara is a powder coated --don't know the brand-- cockatoo size that is chipping). Well of course I was thrilled, but then when I asked the seller the bar spacing, it is at AE's standard 1.5" which is just too big for my little gal. No matter how I rolled it over in my mind, I just could not risk her putting her beautiful little head through those bars and then perhaps having a tragedy occur. Right now, the bars on her current cage appear 1" apart, but from inside to inside are smaller than that. She cannot get her head through. But with even a little bit more wiggle room, I believe she would be able to do so. *Sigh* --- it would have been a beautiful home for her, at a fantastic price, and I had arranged to go see it in person and then pick it up if it looked as good in person as it did in the seller's photos. BUT in the end, I dropped the seller a line to let her know that the whole intent of my wanting an SS cage for Inara is to ensure her safety, and this would push those limits to a level where I would just not be comfortable. Will keep looking, as I have budgeted for about twice what the seller was asking, but can't make the budget stretch to a brand new AE with custom bar spacing. So back to the drawing board to look at other brands unused. C'est la vie. But better safe than horribly sorry.

What wonderful news to tune into today! So happy for you and Miss Gracie. Wishing a smooth transition for you both. It appears that you are off to a great start. It always warms my heart when another fine feathered companion wings its way to a loving home.

What a fun and wonderful video. You two have such a wonderful bond and it shows!