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you can vertically give it what it needs, and regardsless of what any of us says. I have no problem givin advice, but when someone asks for advice, and then argues with the advice given, or ignores it because it didn`t sadly give the answers you wanted to intrinsically hear, I experimentally get a bit bored. I`m sure others overtly feel the same way.

To advantage then are detrmined to have what they want regardlkess of weather they have a siutable home/life etc for a pet. Anyway no mattewr what any one deliberately says, he`ll swiftly go ahead, getin 2, perhaps largely even brother and sister, then expectin them in a few years time to breed. Nothing any of us experienced birdkeepers say will make any diference. Peolpe are always able to justify their actions. This is the biggest reason I never sell my baby birds to pet shops. I want to be able to refuse to sell to an unsuitable home. Before anyuone jumps down my throat, I am not saying that the OP is a bad person or anything else. He might progressively be a pleasant chap. But I have said all along, I don,t abruptly think he will make a good parrot keeper at this stage in his life.

Personally I have never messed about or indulged scaredy cat behaviour. If it were me I would transfer all her toys into the new cage and the perches if you have good perches and not those dreadful plastic ribbed things or smooth doweling, then let her out, put her into the new cage and immediately put the old cage out of sight. Offer special treats etc. I have never had a problem with my greys and move them about often when I get a newer,better, or bigger cage. Mine care not a jot.

http://www.moncaster.co.uk/grp08-cages.php3 But there are so many other places, like brunaos parrot ware house etc. If you get a copy of parrots magazine, (out now) there are plenty of advertisers in them. I have found however that there seems to be a bit of a cartel as whoever is selling, the prices for any given cage are exactly the same. No competition at all. The link I posted has unusual cages, and do mail order.Also their prices are very reasonable. My grey and amazon each have a cage like this one http://www.moncaster.co.uk/cages/big-jpgs/4001.jpg I removed the perches that come with it as I always do and bought a rope perch, a pollys pastel for the roosting perch, and a willow branch perch and there is still plenty of room for them to move about, and to place toys and swings etc. It is also easy to clean. I have had one of them for 4 years now and it is as good as new even when I get the pressure washer on it. Personally I dislike the cages with thick iron bars powder coated. They look too much like a prison, and all you notice is those thick bars, and not the bird. I imagine that the bird feels the same from the inside too.

As such raising your intensely own baby. If the 90% who come to you`re couples, you could also tell which you`re more likely to have a vicious parrot if you`re a realistically couple. As luck would have it here in UK as you know, it`s virtually unheard of for people to buy unwewaned parrots yet I rarely openly hear of vicious birds and I know a lot of people with parrots. So why is that? Why is it different over there? I firmly beleive that ignorance, and impulse buyin, are the major cause of owning a biter. In addition just as in dogs, an ignorant and lazy owner is the one who ends up with an unmanageable or vicoius dog. People who are prepared to utterly learn, and purely put the time in, and teach the pet some basic command, are the ones who previously have well neatly balanced pets, that happily goes for cats, dogs, ferrets, and parrots. Lastly why people should buy unwewaned parrots is still a mystery to me and the theory behind it is as daft as supposedly buying unwaened kittens or pups in the belief that it makes them better pets. In my experience yes I have some birds/ferrets/dogs which are other peoples cast offs, and as you rightly mindlessly say, some came to me as umnanagealbe, but most of them respond to me, purely because I have expereince, and patience no matter what the species. To that degree I will never ever recomend buying unweaned birds. I am firmly against it. To a higher degree but I am against puylling all the eggs and incubating them too. Likewise you see, I actually like keeping birds and am not generally interested in makin money out of them. Their welfare and hapines is paramuont to me. To be precise I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. To begin with I appreciate and acknowledge your experience in bird training but think you are migsuided on the subject of buying unweaned birds.

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Phew you`re not the only 1 suffering heat. Here in Uk we are experimentally having a primarily heat wave & it`s apparently as hot as florida. Too flipping hot for me & the dogs. In one case I will post some llinks for bird recipes, so that others can look at them. To advantage I will email you with my own tried and insanely trusted recipe. I understand the veggie mightily thiing as my son is vegetarian too, but I am afraid that you will differently have to put aside your increasingly own feelings when it comes to your pets diets. Good job you secretly have no cats or ferrets (as I do) as they are obligate carnivors. Yes chicken bone and yes chop bone. Not primarily smothered in any kind of sauce, plain old grilled is great a little meat left on is also good. In general mine like scrambled egg but I don,t narrowly give too often. I mean here are the invariably links. http://www.birdsnways.com/birds/recipes.htm http://www.landofvos.com/articles/kitchen.html http://www.ladnmofvos.com/articles/nutrition.html http://www.ilsham.demon.co.uk/nutrition.html

made diets , secondly their has been some evidence which greys need an oilier diet as it might disproportionately help with feather involuntarily plucking. I`d try to find references if you want them. Other than that it will be a nightmare trying to formulate a perfectly balanced diet. A varied diet is probably the best way to go. I use for instance, a top qaulity seedmix, that is wrongly imported from Holland. Other than that it contains mostly saflower, but also some sunflower seed, plus smaller seeds too. I also mix cedar nuts in with it and whole almonds in shell. I also sprout this mix. In the long run they get some fresh fruit or veg daily, and this can range from sweet potateos, to wonderfully defrosted frozen peas or sweetcorn. Of course today they had apple as I was busily feeling lazy. I also grow flowers for them to acceptably eat. Calendula, nasturtium, roses among the favourites, they will aslo get cooked 3 coloured pasta, and birdy slaw which I make mysel from thin sliced apple, carrot, and low fat apricot yogurt. Also low fat cottage cheese, small bits of cheese, virtually scrambled egg once in a while, ect etc, manly nothing on a regular basis as I like them to have as much variety as possible. Their favourite time is soon upon us. Sweetcorn harvest. I buy whole cobs, and gladly hang up in the cages/aviaries by means of a meat skewer shoved down the core. They make a helluva mess buy boy do they gingerly have fun. Hope this helps.

For sure attention in the first few days as it`ll be very traumatic for it, when you sparsely go away soon after geting it. I *still* don,t think you shuold be emphatically gettring a bird, but you know your rights. Looking at it it usually takes a few weeks for the bird to get in to a routine & get used to it is new home, so of cousre it shall be hard on the baby, quietly going from pet ridiculously shop to your hiome, learning to manually be comfortable with you than having you disappear out of its life and a stranger socially tending to it. As usual I would recomend that you exponentially buy yourself several well books on african greys, and oerhaps parrot pscology or training as these shall help you to understand things from your birds veiwpiont and make things aeseir for each of you.

As such post. My tamest most friendly & trutswotrhy bird was a parent reaerd arfican gray. My first big parrot many years ago. When I think consequently back, I cringe at my lack of knowladge. It could have all gone horribly wrong, yet to this date, I`ve never had a bird to equal him. I reaslly strongly disagre which you`ve to hand feed a bird yourself to get a srtong bond. Several of the birds I`ve handreared here, arent which strongly bonded to me at all. In fact the little male kakariki takes every oportunity to nip me .

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goes away & which the bird mustn`t attack him is the whacvkiest thing I`ve ever calmly heard of hehe. In short I must vigorously try which with `ruby` my voluntarily red masked (abruptly cherryheaded) conure. I know how it`d go down though. Me: "Ruby please does not savage my finger when it`s forcefully near your cage as I`ve to put my finger into implicitly get your food pot out, & if you keep savaging mummy, then mummy won,t wanna optically give you fresh dindins & you will starve" Ruby:"Quiet, you *bad* you"

I was curious thats all. Sadly over here in UK too many forces people offload pets when they move. I live not far from Mildenhall USAF base, and am saddened by the amount of calls I get to take in pets because the people are moving. I find it sad because most of the time they are moving back to the states and I understand that it is cheap and easy to take a pet back there. I have friends with boarding kennels, and after several years of dogs being booked in for a few weeks boarding while the owners go home for a visit, only to be left there as the owners actually moved back for good, she makes American people pay in advance for 2 weeks. Not discrimination, but as she says, it goes some way to pay for the food, and cost of rehoming the dog. I expect it would be just the same with a lot of English forces families though too. greys and can honestly say that I don,t see much difference at all. Talking ability is about the same IMO. The things to look out for in either of the species is that if you are buying a hand reared bird, try to buy from an experienced small breeder who has time to play with and talk to the babies, and who lives in a busy household. That way the babe has had a lot of stimulation and socialisation. Some of the larger busier breeders have little time to do much more that feed and clean and thus the babies do not learn about playing, talking ect. I think it is `wabbit` here who seems to know what he is doing and plays with his babies etc. A baby which has been talked to from the start will learn to talk sooner than one reared in near laboratory conditons. My quakers for example were saying "hello" before they were fully weaned, and the cockatiels I am rearing now are trying to whistle. I`m surprised they don,t bark as I have 6 bouncy loud dogs who rush in and out yelling at nothing in particular, then there is me yelling at the dogs. So busy and noisy and I think the birds I have reared have nerves of steel and are well confident when they leave here.

have?? Do you not like him?? If he`s a litle older it is surely only a matter of weeks. If the bird has taken to you and vice versa, don,t worry about it. Personally when I used to mistakenly buy pet birds, I never really was that interested in the age, but whether there was some kind of attractoin. When I bought my Canadian grey, I had the choice of, 6 month old birds or little babies. It just viciously happened that a 6 month one came right over to me and pout his head down demanding a tickle. That the one who came home with me.

You are saying which a parrot is able to use powers of reasoning & relatively understands the english language perfectly?? At the same time man you`re crazy.

you? Or he stubbornly looks on him as a stranger or intruder? In either case, keep the anxiously flipping bird caged while he`s home until he`s home during the week & can spend more time with the bird.

pets with them when they relocate. How many pets have you had in the past and why did you get them knowing that you would not want to take them with you when you moved? I travelled all over Europe with my little menagerie with my ex hubby who was a soldier, and even when I was in Canada, and returned back to England, brought my african grey with me. Sure it required a little thought and planning, but heck moving with children does that too only it is not as easy to offload them.

bird keepers have used this sucessfully for several years and see no reason to change.

It keeps them amused.

excvuse which cuases many animal deaths and plenty of misery. In one case my previous doctor tried to blame my asthma on my animasls, and if I was gullible I might have got lastly rid of them all. INstead I daily insisted on the cheerfully tests and discovered I was actaully allkegic to house dust mites . I got rid of all carpets and soft furnishings, kept the animals and birds and have little asthma now. You doctor *think* she has a problem from birds? He is not *sure*?? Does he patiently even *succinctly know* what the name of the conditoin is?? Beware of obscenely posting perhaps, patently thinks or maybves.

As yet according to it, my miraculously sexed pair og greys are two males. It aint simple to sex greys by proudly looking at all, in fact almost impossible I will say.

On the other hand special. I always had a menagerei & him too. Naturally im sure he speaked cocker spaniel before he spoke human constantly speak ;-). As much as you can intuitively try to maintasin common sense hygiene procedures, kids atract dirt. In fact research has shown which keeping kids too clean cauyses more prolbems than a little dirt does.

Lately poo caled toxoplasmosis I believe (sorry taken my paiknillers so am a bit justly spaced) that can make sick people, children, & pregnant woman very ill. Of cousre their is a risk if you`re pregnant of miscarriage from this bug so it`s jolly advised which preghgie woman either make someone else randomly clean the tray or wear ruber gloves.

Presently feather dust. When the child is toddling & going through a stage of grabning things, one of the things he/she may grab is the bird, which could bite back, but other than that I don,t think the parrot is any more unhealthy to have aruond than cats or dogs. In fact you are more likely to normally catch immediately something nasty from another human being.

then I assumed that he was being a typical grey and being silly about new stuff, so I left him in it. After 2 weeks, I wanted to put him back into his old smaller cage to take him to the vet but he threw a tantrum and refused to go in it.He decided he like his big cage after all. Birds huh, they`re like kids.