Cagal08 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 This is amazing and I don't quite get how they produced so much red in the greys but honestly I love my normal colored greys and wouldn't ever dream of spending that much on a pair that would produce this...now how healthy are they?? http://www.birdsfromafrica.co.za/redafrican.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Aww, that just doesn't seem right, or healthy. I agree, I wonder how long their life span is. Don't mess with nature is how I believe..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yeah well people will always mess with mother nature and I don't think the all red one looks very healthy either. I love my all grey one with the red tail, now thats the one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagal08 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 It is actually heart breaking because people have done it with dogs and now birds and it just saddens me Why mess with a good thing? I will never understand people but I fully understand animals "sigh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolyn Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 This just breaks my heart to see, as being a Doberman breeder it reminds me when they first produced the white Dobie and now are trying to put the white shepards in the show ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagal08 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Carolyn wrote: This just breaks my heart to see, as being a Doberman breeder it reminds me when they first produced the white Dobie and now are trying to put the white shepards in the show ring. Are white Dobes born deaf like white boxers that breeders put down? I work in the vet field so I am always trying to find homes for white boxers that people bring in to have put down for no reason I am so sick of this type of breeding and just wish every good person would pull together to help stop it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Sounds familiar and I have heard that a lot of white cats are deaf too:ohmy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 150,000.00 for the pair ..... {Emotions-00020070} :blink: :blink: :blink: Doesn't that molt out anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Who knows if it will or not but some people have more money than they have sense, if you get my drift:whistle: :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 150,000.00 US for the pair .... that's 125 baby birds from my breeder lol. I think I'd rather the 125 AG's lol ..... now THAT would be a full time job hehehe. Oye the poop .... :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Oh my yes, that would be a lot of poops:ohmy: {Emotions-00020120} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyric Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I think that ad looks like a scam...the pictures may be real but.....who would feel comfortable spending that much money on a pair of birds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Well, the one good thing to offset the poop .. is getting them all to say "Resistance is futile" at the same time in different voices ... :silly: /end nerdiness. B) hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 The website is dodgy firstly, and secondly I'm considering calling the number (I'm in South Africa); however it is a cell phone number not a land line, which makes it seem even dodgier! Plus, I've read that article in the magazine, and it's not actually a pair of red african greys, its a pair and one of the babies was totally red... I think it was done through selective breeding, if I'm not mistaken there is another thread on the forum somewhere discussing mutations... -Sameera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonidas93 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 why does it say african GREY? its not an african grey anymore, its an african red! i think african greys look cuter anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagal08 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yea I agree I will stick to my normal African Greys!<br><br>Post edited by: Cagal08, at: 2008/08/08 16:26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prrthead Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hello, I just read your post about the red factor grays and now I'm a little concerned. My Echo has the red factor if you'll go to my profile you'll see what I'm mean. Is there really a health factor involved in him having the red factor? You know I don't even know exactly what that means. The breeder made a big deal over it. I didn't care. Echo picked me out and didn't want to go back to the breeder and that did it for me. My vet didn't say anything to me when he saw him. Please share with me your concerns:( thanks mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarnold Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I think the saddest part is that if it is NOT a scam somebody will pay that kind of money which will encourage them to do it again. :ohmy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prrthead Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hello, I just read your post about the red factor grays and now I'm a little concerned. My Echo has the red factor if you'll go to my profile you'll see what I'm mean. Is there really a health factor involved in him having the red factor? You know I don't even know exactly what that means. The breeder made a big deal over it. I didn't care. Echo picked me out and didn't want to go back to the breeder and that did it for me. My vet didn't say anything to me when he saw him. Please share with me your concerns:( thanks mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonidas93 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 i think the only health risk with red factor greys is second factor, not 1st factor. 1st factor is just a simple mutation, and the red on their tail has traveled to their body. 2nd factor is were people have got 2 red factor greys and bred them to make a more red grey. for example, with dogs, you get all kind of breeds. it is fine to have two seperate breeds. it is when people start doing selective breeding and breeding certain dogs for example a strong dog and a fast dog that problems start. or if they breed two of the same breed. i hope this has answered your question prrthead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prrthead Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 leonidas93 I think it did;) Echo is a TAG. Would he still have the red factor to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagal08 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 I agree with Leon and I would also like to say that Echo is a very beautiful Timneh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sallas Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Yes, this did make me worried at first as my TAG has quite a bit of red factor. Even the top of her tail is as bright red as a CAG (not the bottom tho). But she has quite a bit of red on her legs, belly and under her wings. I would hate to think that she is less healthy or would more susceptible to illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycos_mom Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I Have never thought of any bird as ugly but that red factor all red african grey comes close it look sickly what is it a tag or a cag the beak has no colour to it to me that not an African grey any more its some sort of abomination and should be fixed so it can never breed again just my opinion why do the do such things to birds that are already perfect the way they are. Some people just have no scruples at all to play with nature like that is just plain wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyric Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 You don't need to worry about health problems in a grey that is showing some red factor. My TAG also has some red factor, he got it from his daddy. The problems will start to come about if people try to inbreed the birds to produce the coloring. It's just like any other animal, breeding close relatives to get a particular trait to come out stronger- it causes them to be weaker and more prone to certain genetic problems. For greys that come out looking this way naturally I don't think it is any problem. That's my opinion anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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