lisachristine Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Soooo, three days ago I decided to put a chair next to Rosie's cage so that we could have bonding time at night before we went to bed. If you haven't read my intro, basically Rosie wants nothing to do with humans or human contact. Today after work I decided to sit in the chair, ask her how her day was, and shared a cracker with her. For the first time EVER she took the cracker very softly from me. After eating it she started making WEIRD noises like maybe a cracker was stuck in her crop. For some reason I decided to put my fingers in between the bars (she would normally bite), however this time she started rubbing up agaist them and regurgitating the crackers. So is this video possibly BONDING???? Don't play with my emotions!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnMM Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Buddy does this to me. Lately though he's been getting way more intense. I try to distract him when he starts getting really intense though. It sure does look like love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gio's daddy Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Looks like shes starting to trust you! Might be luv Im rehoming my tag Gio (less than a month) so I understand the little victories!!! Looking good Rosie!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywings Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 She is wooing you as a possible mate. >:> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Sounds and looks like a grey getting all hot and bothered, this is cute but don't encourage it for it leads to sexual frustration, tell her thanks but no thanks, at least she is allowing you to touch her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray P Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Our greys can become more attached to us than we realize even when they don`t show us in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Looks like love and bonding to me! I always accept all regurgs. Its important to them. Sophie can now regurg into my hand. I always thank her, and pretend to eat it. She is always pleased with me.I am no expert in sexual aggression though. Never had it with Sophie. Kiki on the other hand, can turn into a real BLANK... we all want to hide. Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Awww, Rosie is starting to come around and letting you know she is enjoying the interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisachristine Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 Thanks guys.Their moods sure change from day to day. I tried to feed her another treat today and she ripped it from my and and threw it to the bottom of her cage. Maybe another day! She tries so hard to hard me, but isen't winning the battle. She maybe stubborn, but it's nothing compared to how stubborn I can be. I think that's why we're so good together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 lisachristine, In my opinion, you are wrong that Rosie doesn't want to bond. Your video, showed me a bird that DOES want to bond! Open the cage door, encourage Rosie to stepup. Continue to sit in a chair, in front of cage( with door opened!) Read to your baby. ( rhyymes are a favorite, especially nursury rhymes). You are doing GREAT! When at this stage you are at, Sophie was CRAZY for Dr. Seuss books. 12 years later, she still LOVES his books. Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chezron Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Bonding is good: regurgitation is not. Brutus initially tried regurgitation with me, but I ignored his efforts, so now it is a lot more calm around here, yet he still loves me. i do think encouraging regurgitation is confusing for the bird because it encourages sexual behavior that cannot be acted upon. The great thing is your bird obviously is trying to bond with you! Good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 So lets discuss this " sexual aggression." Be kind all. We are all just discussing and learning. Noone is right or wrong. I truly am curious! Sophie is 12 now, you would never know she was a girl, except she was DNA sexed. She never has laid an egg, has never become aggressive. No molts, no nothing! Weird? When she regurgs, we taught her to do it in our hand, since it isn't healthy to be in our mouths where bacteria thrives. She is pleased that we accept her regurg, and think of it as a gift. She regurgs to all of us, and watches us all closely, that we accept it. ( we pretend to eat it, she thinks we did!) The only sexual aggression I have ever seen, is Sophie does a mating dance with Ryan's feet, when he sleeps in the livingroom.( rare). I am truly interested in her behavior! Any ideas? Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) Noone is right or wrong. Nancy Nancy, I'm sincerely sorry, but it's wrong to encourage regurgitation, this is a well known fact..If I may offer a little insight into this possible problem. As a further note, it is unhealthy to encourage you companion to regurgitate, it's both physically unhealthy and mentally harmful .This is a accepted fact by the majority avian behavioral specialists. One reason this is so wrong is because a Grey isn't human and mating is impossible. Most parrots kept as companion animals are hatched in captivity and raised by hand. This close association with humans allows the birds to imprint on humans. Imprinting is a form of early learning that results in the bird identifying with a particular species.When humans imprint a parrot, the bird grows up almost thinking it is human. This confusion often results in a parrot pursuing a human as its mate when it reaches breeding age or sooner and a lot of breeding revolves around regurgitation. Parrot couples exchange food via regurgitation as part of the courtship ritual before breeding. It is even rehearsed by pre-breeding age birds once they have formed bonds.Regurgitation plays an even more important role once the chicks come along. While the female broods, the male forages for food. About twice a day, sometimes more often, the male returns to the nest where he feeds the female by regurgitating the food he gathered on his foraging excursion. She keeps this food in her own crop and passes it on to the chicks in the nest over the course of the day. When imprinted companion parrots reach breeding age, they often direct courtship displays, including regurgitation, to their human caregivers. The best way to avoid a regurgitation problem is to nip it in the bud. The first time you see your parrot bob his head, quickly disassociate yourself by setting him on a stand or back in his cage; do not tolerate even the smallest episode, no matter how innocent it may seem.If your bird already has acquired the habit of regurgitating, the next time it happens take note of the environment and what seems to trigger it so you can avoid putting him in that situation again. Like many other parrot behaviors, regurgitating is self-reinforcing. If you let it happen once, especially in association with other breeding behavior, you encourage him to repeat it. On the other hand, if you link it with something negative, like putting him back in its cage, the behavior is likely to decrease. Jay Edited June 18, 2012 by Jayd spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Jayd... I get what you are saying. Makes sense. BUT... we established our behavior along time ago. NOT sexual aggression, to receive Sophie's regurg. We didn't know! Even though we didn't understand, her regurg is truly a form of " love and acceptance!" Who makes these decisions about " sexual aggression?" nANCY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Jayd... I get what you are saying. Makes sense. BUT... we established our behavior along time ago. NOT sexual aggression, to receive Sophie's regurg. We didn't know! Even though we didn't understand, her regurg is truly a form of " love and acceptance!" Who makes these decisions about " sexual aggression?" nANCY Thank you Nancy, ?this isn't about and has nothing to do with "Sexual Aggression". This has to do with what's healthy for parrots, nothing more. These decisions are made by the avian community which is composed of scientist, avian psychologist and behaviorists. This also includes years of experience in parrot ownership such as the members of this Greyt forum, not just one person who tried something different. I believe where problems might arise from is wording. Example might be: a statement in absolute finally as opposed to a question since there is so much proven evidence on this specific subject. To have a opinion is Greyt, to be opinionated can possibly create misinformation. The basis of this Greyt forum is to provide "Solid" info to new comers and and those with question, in providing useful and correct information. This isn't a advant-garde or holistic or experiential forum but more of a cornerstone source of information. When members have to spend their time correcting or advising against possible harmful advice, it defeats the whole purpose of why were here. What we all need to do is "Think before we write" Will this cause conflict?, Will this be accepted? Can it be harmful? Just because something really out in left field work's for me that is totally against the norm. Do I have the right to state my opinion as fact? Nancy, my personal opinion from years of experience working with hundreds of parrots and backed by research and agreement the avian community in general, rethink you feelings toward regurgitation in general. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisachristine Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Thank you both for your input. I guess it comes down to "reading your bird". I can see that too much regurgitation could be harmful, so I will keep that in mind as I go through the bonding phase. We won't make it a habit, but I also won't shun it. She's only done it once in the past year, so we should be ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 There is a little saying that's said here quite a lot..."It's better safe than sorry" but in the end, we have to do what we feel is right and hope for the best. Good luck. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Jayd... yes, we have to do what feels right for our bird. Of course, I can't reject Sophie's once a week regurg. It is important to her, and no sexual aggression has ever been displayed. After 12 years of doing this, it would be a true form of rejection. Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ewwwwww.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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