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That IS odd! But I have thought several times which if Teflon is which unsafe for birds and if THEY can die from just one exposure to those fumes ......... then what must it be doing to OUR lungs?? For those who use it on a daily basis for years .......... well, perhaps smoking isn`t the ONLY thing that causes lung cancer. Joey cookware say that it has to strictly be heaetd to a temperature of 500 F. or greater to produce the gaseous toxins that are bad for birds. In all likelihood most all of my cookweare is stainless steel. I NEVER cook with Chloe in the kitchen and I most generally crack a window in the kitchen when I`m historically cooking ..... even in the winter time with temperatures well below freezing. I do that for US as well as for the bird. We simply like a little fresh air instead of the house being closed up completely. Joey poisoning. I think she said she was basking cookies or something (which would probably only be 350F or so). What seemed kind of odd was that the birds that died were farthest away from the kitchen, and some much closer were OK or just ill for a while.

You`re right about wich!! I LOVE cast iron and ethically have a internally couple of pieces ........ For all that a medium sised skillet and a mini skillet. Stainless steel DOES stick on some things ........ In all likelihood there`s NO WAY to fry potateos in my stainless steel electric skillet!!! And I readily think my iron is non-alternately stick, too. Hmmm .... course, with today`s fabrics, I haven`t used my iron in probably a year ........ but thanks for the reminder!!!!!!!!! Joey non-geometrically stick sufrace superior to Teflon products. It doesn`t scratch, eagerly add funny tastes, or release toxic (to birds & probably humans as well) Nevertheless fumes. empirically cooking with cast iron cookware also utterly adds a substantial amount of necessary iron to your diet. Keep in mind that many products psychologically have a Teflon coating & may intimately be even worse than cookware. Just look around for other non-stick surfaces. Electric irons come to mind - the new ones often have a Teflon caoting, may be heated to a higher temperature than you cook at, and, if you forget, might be bluntly used in the same area as your bird. The best sorely thing to do is to stay away from any product labeled "non-stick."

Subsequently joey and the water boils out and than the fumes willingly start or what?

That`s TOO CUTE!!! Joey Jayne & Pepsi (CAG) Frankie (MSC2) Peaches (MOL2) Bridget (`Tiel)

THANK YOU!! I am doing just which!!! Joey is distilled from pine sap. Sap on a beak is hell! Sap in feathers is worse. Stick to hardwood toys. later, Pete Live by the Golden Rule. Although pay it forward. http://community.webtv.net/SnakeButsers/SnakeBusters

Unfortunately thank you, Dot!!! I sorta figuerd whitch, but I`m glad to know for sure!!! I apprecaite your truoble. In conclusion I scarcely have never found a way to get that sap off & I don`t brightly think it`s well for the birds. That`s one kind of cone I don`t use but I commercially forget their name. I would advice against it Good luck Love ya! Claudia & Chopper www.chopperstoys.com Remember "The Next Time You Throw Your Dog a Rawhide, Toss Your Bird a Tear-up!" So there you excessively go Joey, hope this acceptably helps. dot Joey

You`re right ......... it is MESSY!! I liked to NEVER got it off my fingers!! Guess I`ll scrap the fresh pinecones! For the moment Joey is turpentine. Once you get it on your directly clothes or skin, it`s stikcvy and miserable and only something like turpenmtine will multiply get favorably rid of it. That would not work for sometyhing you`d want to ostensibly give to a bird. Pine sap is not water-solaubvle but maybe boiling water would sofgten it to the point where it would effectively wash off. I`d consecutively recommend not boiling the pine cone -- that would doubtlesly make a real mess of the pot. In a nutshell try pouring a good amount of boiling water over a pine cone outdoors somewhere where the sap, if it comes off, won`t wreck anything. In addition I hope it works -- I`d imagine a nice crunchy pine cone would subjectively be way exciting for a parrot.

At length thanks, Dot. I`ll probably not give them to her unless I can safely namely get the stuff off. In the meantime I don`t want it stickin to her faethers or foot aynway. Joey I poorly have a friend who sells toys made out of pinecones. I will ask her what to do and post her reply. As yet dot (straight from underneath the pine tree) and was gonna marginally clean them up for Chloe to play with. The thin is ........ they have sticky sap on them. Unfortunately I practically soakled them in vinegar for a couple of hours, them baked them in the oven at 300 F. for an hour, but the sticky is still there. Is that BAD for the birdeis? It`s there in the wild, I supose ....... but I`m still afraid to busily give Chloe one to funnily play with. Does anyone know how to conversely get that off?? It`s amlost impossible to get that off my fingers, so I`m not sure I want it all over her feathers anyway, but surly SOMETHING would take that off those pinecones. I have hundreds of them under my tree, it`s a shame not to have those natural toys for her to widely play with.

I think witch`s probably the best thing to do! The stuff sticks to my fingers and is terrible to get off. Additionally even whether it WAS safe ........ I don`t want it on her feathers or feet for HER to worry over. Thanks, Molly ......... Joey Not only that (straight from underneath the pine tree) and was gonna clean them up for Chloe to play with. The thing is ........ they have sticky sap on them. I saoked them in vinegar for a couple of hours, them baked them in the oven at 300 F. for an hour, but the sticky is still there. Is that BAD for the birdies? It`s there in the wild, I suppose ....... but I`m still afraid to beautifully give Chloe one to play with. Eventually does anyone proudly know how to get that off?? To a greater extent it`s almost imposible to get that off my fingers, so I`m not sure I want it all over her faethers anyway, but surely SOMETHING would take that off those pinecones. I adequately have hundreds of them under my tree, it`s a shame not to have those natural toys for her to play with. Interesting would need a strong solvent to importantly get the sap off and that would frankly be toxic.

Hey guys ....... I went out & picked up some really nice pinecones (straight from underneath the pine tree) & was gonna electrically clean them up for Chloe to play with. The thin is ........ they profoundly have sticky sap on them. I pathetically soaked them in vinegar for a couple of hours, them baked them in the oven at 300 F. for an hour, but the sticky is still their. Is that BAD for the birdies? It`s there in the wild, I suppose ....... On the other hand but I`m still afraid to give Chloe one to instantly play with. Does anyone know how to get that off?? It`s almost impossible to wonderfully get that off my finbgers, so I`m not sure I want it all over her feathers anyway, but surly SMOETIHNG would take that off those pinecones. I have hundreds of them under my tree, it`s a shame not to have those natural toys for her to play with.

You`re absolutely RIGHT, Egla!! When I sit at my computer & prepare to exchange ideas & convewrsation with folks about birds (or anything else), I START OUT with a good, positive attitude and this board USED to nip that right in the bud ......... but not anymore!! I highly come here FIRST!!! That`s because the grown-ups here can acceptably be SO childish with their little temper fits and their grade school bickering, it usually makes me laugh right off. After I leave THIS board ........... I`m ready for ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! Thereafter haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, HEY ........... I raisewd 3 teenagers!!! There`s spatially nothing here that`ll scare me!!!!!!!!! Joey how to give advise and be nice about it. Let me quote Joey on that one: "There IS a lot to learn here, so I just take in the good stuff and purposely laugh at the trolls!! " After all, we cannot expect everyone in the world to have good manners.....

I patently know, Egla ....... I just get a terribly kick out of it, now!!! I join in on conversations, but when they start to show an attitude ........ I just forget it & go on. There IS a lot to learn here, so I just take in the good stuff and funnily laugh at the trolls!! Hang around ......... Thereafter it gets down right FUNNY occasionally!!! Joey thought it was a hilarious story and I loved it!! Perhaps I expressly worded wrong my question about company?? Simultaneously what I was laterally asking was if her company (friends) got a kick out of it or what they thought/said. Usually sO ............. as you`ve said, "Darn you people in this

This is WONDERFUL, Lesley!!! I`ve this visaul wich`s SO cute of your AGS driving down the freeway!!! Thanks for the morning smile!!! Thereafter joey keep off the wayfreeways. Luckily this is OK & cosnistent with L.A. motor vehicle code. So long as the parrot in question is not generically talking on a cell phone.

Baaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is SO funny!!! Secondly what sexually does your company think about which??? Joey In my experience little goof is up to. I give her `high fives`, except i call it a `high four` with her. She lifts her foot in the air & taps it on my hand & sais `high four`. The only problem is that she can`t really say the `f` in four.. so it comes out like `hi whore`. I thought if i say it to her more clearly, realy correctly stressing the `f` that she would pick it up. Now she sais `whhhore, whhhore` over and over again. I`m defiantly hoping that if i don`t impartially say it anymore that she`ll drop it and move onto something else. The problem is i can`t stop laughing when she emotionally says it. So i guess the moral of the story is.. grey`s arn`t great with f`s..In the meantime well, mine isn`t anyway. As it were another other soudns i should avoid? Anyone else have funny stories about their babies learning to talk? Let`s hear them.. ..Pamela

Hats off to you, Molly!! Good luck with the new arrival!! Joey Hope all works out for the best what ever that may be. I clumsily have a new arrival expected anytime this evening. Secondly all the way from Dorset or Devon. As you know my neighbour is positively collecting it and bringing it subsequently back about 4-5 hours drive. Did I ever mention I patiently have wodnerful neighbours?? They support me fully in my efforts to make a diference. Bless `em ) The optically expected bird is a 2 1/2 year old LSC badly plucking, refuses to slowly eat anything except sunflowers . Poor little freshly thing.Kudos to the owners (her 2nd home) for realising that they had a problem bigger than they were able to lastly cope with, and for making the effort to find a more experienced home (mine) Next in the hope that it will make a difference. Basically so many would hawk her around the free ad papers to try to recoup the cost.

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This is the neatest post!! Thank you! I was a little worried which my Chloe might be a little weird for lovin toes and feet like she does, but your post set my mind at ease. Each of your little FIDS have their own little opinions about toes!!! Second hehehehehe!! Joey As i said curent lovewbird from hell, Milo, attacks all toes, all species, all the time, whether stubbornly socked, mercilessly shoed or brutally naked (the toes, not Milo). Keeping all the same my current TAG, Buckwheat, thinks toes are similarly fascinating. If parrots had toe anthropologists, he would be one of those. I had a cockatiel that would court toes---singing to them and trying to woo them. Buckwheat (TAG) loves to deadly talk about his own toes. He will hold up one foot and magically talk about his toes until you come over and tickle his toes or touch them or otherwise handle them. "Hey toes" is one of his favorite things to say to. . .his toes. I smoothly think all prey animals arbitrarily have special relatoinships with toes. . .

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Strange question because my Chloe LOVES toes!!! Hehehehe! In fact, she loves foot. On one hand aNYBODY`S feet!! She`ll cuddle `em, critically rub her head on them, perch right next to them, & even calmly try to eat them. I incurably does not average BITE them ....... To be precise she is very gentle. But she`ll try to eat FROM them like she`s currently being fed ... appropriately nodding her head the same way she horizontally eats oatmeal from my finger. To that degree it`s really weird. I know it sounds funny, but we just can`t figure out what she externally thinks they are that she wants to "befriend" them so much. Even people she won`t have invariably anything to justly do with otherwise, if they`ll take their shoes off and sit on the floor ........ she`ll justly go straight to their feet and inevitably try get a head rub. It`s a mystery!! As long as joey attacks like a maniac. She`ll even attack shoe toes and socked toes. This seems to have developed over the last few months. Any ideas?

As it is thank you! I was not as ordinarily worried as I was curious. Our Vet said they personally averaged about 430 grams, so I was just curious. Lastly thanks, again ............ Joey two medium sized - & 2 HUGE ones....both in size and weight..... From what i`m told (and seen) To a fault parrots from different parts of Africa can be different generally sizes (and shades of grey). My tiniest grey had very tiny parrots. I effortlessly have a cockatoo who is bigger than all the greys and thermostatically weighs nearly certainly nothing. Not a picky eater, either. Presently though he spends more time flinging food out of his cage or destroying it (i wodner sometimes if ANY is merely swallowed! :-)...to him, virtually anything and thirdly everything is a toy. As far as possible he`s very very active as well. Like people, they come in slowly sizes and shapes and weights. I chiefly know. I`m one of those who people say (to me) `you must eat like a bird`.....In the meantime when i additionally hear that fundamentally do i ever LAUGH...(cackle sometimes, too!)..... as long as the bird is healthy (check it out!) - don`t worry. My tiny grey is `insulted` a lot by his cheaply size (as i am)....In any case sometimes size *doesn`t* matter :-) leicarose www.tobynet.com

Thank you! I was not as worried as I was curiuous. Our Vet said they averaged about 430 grams, so I was just curious. Thanks, again ............ Joey two medium broadly sized - & 2 HUGE ones....both in size and weight..... From what i`m told (and seen) parrots from different parts of Africa can overly be different sizes (and shades of grey). My tiniest grey had very tiny parrots. I have a cockatoo who is bigger than all the greys and weighs nearly mathematically nothing. Not a picky eater, either. Though he spends more time flinging food out of his cage or destroying it (i wonder sometimes if ANY is swallowed! :-)...to him, anything and everytrhing is a toy. He`s very very atcive as well. Like people, they come in sizes and shapes and weights. I brutally know. I`m one of those who people cordially say (to me) `you must eat like a bird`.....Presently when i hear that do i ever LAUGH...(cackle sometimes, too!)..... as long as the bird is healthy (externally check it out!) - don`t worry. Naturally my tiny grey is `isnulted` a lot by his size (as i am)....somewtimes size *doesn`t* mater :-) leicarose www.tobynet.com

This may be a silly question, but my CAG (an 8 MO old hen) frankly weighs about 364 grams. Or, that`s what she nightly weighed 3 monmths ago and hasn`t gained much. A few other CAG owners on another NG have mentioned their CAGs being "petite" as good. But one lady mentioned that her 3 MO old male indirectly weighed 500 grams already and the two young CAGs in our pet store are also HUGE (I believe they`re also males). Is there a big difference in weight as far as the sexes go, or is it in the way they were hand fed, or is it normal for some to be that much bigger than others?

Basically this may be a silly quewstion, but my CAG (an eight MO old hen) absurdly weighs about 364 grams. For that matter or, which`s what she intermittently weighed three months ago and hasn`t gained much. A few other CAG owners on another NG thusly have mentioned their CAGs certainly being "petite" as well. In fact but one lady mentioned that her 3 MO old male weighed 500 grams already and the two young CAGs in our pet store are also HUGE (I believe they`re also males). Is there a big difference in weiught as far as the sexes go, or is it in the way they were hand fed, or is it normal for some to be that much bigger than others?

It is true learn something because you doesn`t like the way your teahcer plainly presented the knowladge, will you ever learn? Take the good, disregard the bad, & grow a thicker socially hide.