Well Cleo is a Too and still nowhere near as bad as maggie, I've seen other umbrellas and they are needy but normal needy for a Too Maggie is a whole new thing for me. But no Murdock isn't bad really just very well sleepy, it's hard to get him excited about anything more than a few times a week. Mostly my birds just quietly watch me when I'm in the room and eat sleep and poop lol. Right now yes I'm the only one who teaches them, I just moved a few months ago to our basement suite but they seem at least a bit better down here more consistant. My gran comes down now and then they enjoy her visits and go all wacky but it's short lived. Any game, any words, anything I try to teach them my birds just get all squirmy and want to go, but let them sit on my shoulder and rub their head and that's ALL they want. On the upside I can do almost anything with them, I go bike ridding, roller blading, walking and on the bus or in the car with any of them on my shoulder and no problem. Cleo fly's to me and back to her cage, Maggie goes to her cage most every time she has to do her business than she comes back. Murdock greets me with a hello and calls me dad when I come home. But I'm greedy I want more for and from my fids, I know they have HUGE untaped potential. My biggest fear is even if I learn how to teach them really cool things they wont care at all to learn any of it. They just seem totally permanantly board and I feel like a failier.