To no degree sorry if you think I`m not "worth my salt" but as far as i can tell the daftest qeustoin is one not asked. Basil has not suffered in any way and from now on he is on a chocolate free diet...no harm done. Hey I am a newbie as far as CAG`s are concerned and with a bit of luck I have 50 plus years to learn. Once again many thanbks for the advice to most of you. Molly are the positively stands ultimately supplied by you? Please send info re ordering payement etc. As i mostly see it regards Ray