Jayd

,Thank you, I read your post to Jay

Not a good day today,,, The Doctor took Jay off of Prednisone he has a real hard hard time breathing, even though he increased his oxygen intake.. Keep you informed...Love Maggie

Please, just because I don't like something or wouldn't use it myself, doesn't mean it is not any good. As some of you know, I don't like using outside influences, especially when it comes to chemically-altering ingredients. I will give you an example: Chickpeas (garbanzo beans) are great for our birds and loaded with nutrients. But they bond with other chemicals in the blood and deplete them so, you don't feed as much chickpeas as you would other beans. Another example: I am on Plavix, a blood thinner, and I can't eat grapefruit. The same thing, it makes the Plavix less effective. To sum it up, always research the researcher...

If you use Rescue Remedy or something like it, I would advise not using Chamomile tea. it could be too much... Love-ya all

Erfan, Acappella, and to all who are following this thread. In the end, we have to weight all info we receive, and decide what action we feel is the best...It's our decision and ours alone...This is solely my option...I personal don't use "supplements" or patent Cure-all's" even if they're natural safe ingredients... Why? sometimes when two or more ingredients are combined, they become detrimental to each other and cause bad reactions...... By all means, if you feel like you would like to try " Rescue Remedy" please do so, Whatever choices you make we all know that it is in the best interests of your baby.

In all the years and with all the parrots that have come across our paths, the hardest thing besides losing one is to not being able to communicate with one. To paraphrase, it's a long and winding road...

Thank you for posting this video...It clears up so much, this poor baby was improperly treated early on. He could have been physically abused or possibly he is a breeder. (Explain this later). This situation will take a long time...there are a couple ways you might handle this. You can do as was suggested by Luvparrots and Acapella or you can do the exact opposite. Basically ignore him when cleaning his cage and let him come to you. You can get him a companion...it doesn't have to be another Grey, a small Conure is a possibility and put them in a room together out of their cages. Any of these suggestions could take years with little change. They are ALL equally GREAT! What is a breeder? A breeder is a Grey in the wild that never has anything to do with humans. As far as they are concerned, their whole purpose is to breed. Most Greys, after breeding once, turn this way, having nothing more to do with humans. This also is a possibility. You need the patience of Job...your baby is going to need all the love and understanding that you can give. You also need to be aware that he may never be more than a captive bird (I am sorry), but he will know your love and will repay you with love in his own way. I would like you to try something, if you would. Get some chamomile tea and in the mornings, replace his water with a weak chamomile tea to start with and then switch it out for water after a few hours. When you approach his cage to put something in it, don't do it cautiously, just walk up, change and then walk away quickly as if nothing happened to show him that you are not sticking around or have plans to hurt him. This, too, will get him used to this. Don't stand around the cage when you are done...You want to show him that he is part of the family, not the centerpiece. In a sense, you are basically have to ignore him and just let him fit in as he chooses to. Each day, by ignoring him, he will require more and more of your attention. We do not know how much baggage he has or what stories he has not told us yet. You might want to step aside and have someone of the opposite sex do as you are doing. He may have a per-determined feeling toward a certain sex. In our years of taking care of taking in rescue and abused parrots, we had a Cockatoo that would have NOTHING to do with me and would only calm down when Maggie, my wife, approached her and cleaned, etc. More recently, we had Pistachio and Buddy (a Ringneck and a Conure both who recently flew over the Rainbow Bridge), who for many years would act this way and cower when Maggie had to clean and change their cage and bowls. After many years, they would let Maggie near them to clean and change without cowering or attacking and Pistachio let Maggie handle him occasionally. Love ya

Beautiful Gray...Thank you for sharing

Thank you Acapella! Great response! I am proud to say that the posted threads are from Jay who dictates ( he really is a dictator LOL) to me because he has trouble typing so I type for him. ( I also proofread, add commas, period, colons, am a spellchecker, etc., etc., LOL) Love, Maggie and Jay

Thank you my friend.. Keep posting...

That sound great! Try it and keep us informed....

Thanks chezron.......Fantastic...

Greetings and welcome to the Grey Lounge... ....including her baggage which at this point you really don't know how much baggage she has. Re-homing for a Grey is extremely life-changing. You almost have to start from anew. I praise you for your efforts. A Grey is usually the head of the group or flock. They don't have an alpha male but they do have a leader of each group and each group consists of one or more families. With your large group, this could pose an identity problem so I don't like to see a Grey in a room by themselves. This could potentially cause social and psychological problems so I would recommend if you are going to put Bella in a room by herself, you might consider getting her a female partner. A possible problem that you need to consider is that each of your pets can be deadly to a Grey but with your experience, I don't see any problems. When you bring her home, start treating her the same as you would later on...just don't push her, just be a little slower and more forgiving. If she has her own room, leave the cage door open 24/7...no problem. Of all the parrots, our beloved Greys have the most psychological and social problems. Some Greys are extremely social and others can be antisocial. If she is in her own room, I would suggest a radio or TV. Under the right conditions, they can intermingle with other pets. You have to remember, after touching or holding the Tegu and python, you need to wash and change clothing etc. before handling your Grey to prevent cross-contamination. Thanks and welcome...Jayd

Looks good..In our Joe's case, we can't bring out the floor fan..lol

Hi, thank you, don't alienate them, At ten, Brutus is near do for a "Change in life". As a Gray ages, they for lack of a better word, Contemplate their life more, they become wiser, son gray this is the breading age. Just as you saw a change at 1 year and 2 years old they go through this stage and finely the last stage when they just kick back and are quiet and self absorbent...You have always been a good Parront...

This isn't unusual, it's possible he feels Tyler is from another flock and intruding. How old is Brutus? It could be just a "Grays change of life" grays flock in large comunitys but small family groups..His Group might have reached it;s limit...If this is whats happening, the best thing to do is ignore it.... Grey's family lives are a lot different than other parrots. A normal parrot weans and kicks out their chicks of the nest and starts over. A Grey family will have a couple chicks and train them to be part of the original community. They will stay together until they find a mate. At that time, the newly mated Greys will leave home and become part of the same community. An ideal captive home family unit would be to have the parents and their mated offspring in your living room. Most parrots are invaders and leave their family units for areas unknown and start a new family with their new flock. A Grey has more human characteristics than most may realize.

Hi chezron, has your boyfriend changed his shampoo or bath soap or anything like that?, even your boyfriends hair cut?

Hi, it sounds to me like he is just calling for someone or some attention...Put a small cardboard box in his cage to give him something to chew on. He needs attention...sit down by the cage and read a book out loud to him. I doesn't matter what...get a chunk of carrot and put it between the cage bars. Leave a couple of small food dishes in there for him. Did he have a mate or another bird with him when you got him?

Hi, weaning a baby parrot is one of the hardest things to do. Whenever I get the chance, I try to talk a person out of it. The possible heartbreak alone is hard enough...if your baby is truly 4-6 weeks old, you need an experienced breeder. Please don't be mad at me, I am only speaking the truth. Do you have a feeding schedule? How many times a day and how much are you feeding? What type of formula and what temperature? Do you have a scale that will weigh in grams or ounces? Are you using a syringe or spoon? Did you hand-feed your other baby? You don't have to worry about your other Grey...just keep them apart until your baby gets older. We're here to help you. After all our years of hand-raising and caring for parrots, we learned it's not the hand-feeding that creates the bond, but the presence of the human, the holding and communication that creates this bonding process. This also allows the parents the proper amount of time to raise the chicks to be on their own. Please see the post "FEEDING MY PARROT". If you like, go to the INTRODUCTION AND WELCOME LOUNGE and tell us all about you and yours. Thank you! Jayd

you are doing great...your English is fine...and everyone at the Forum is here for you!

Heed the advice you have been given...Judy and everyone else is right on...get toys in there as soon as possible...Try to place kale or other green leafy or stemmed veggies (like a carrot) in between the bars of the cage. Get a small custard bowls or small dishes and keep them full of foods in the bottom of the cage at all times...(do not place under perches lol ) What you are trying to do is acclimate him to you, not you to him..remember this will take some time, maybe a lot of time...Don't give up. You might try a flat bowl if water on the bottom of his cage with room temperature water and he might take hi own bath...you could even place some parsley or small chopped lettuce in the water to entice him. it might be too soon for a spray bottle as it might spook him...Right now. he is bored. There is nothing in his cage to keep him occupied, it's like he's sitting on a bare limb in the middle of the jungle exposed to all the predators. Let him scream, toys will help and give him shelter. What you are trying to do is ignore him right now to show and make him feel you are no threat to him...as time goes on, you will get closer and closer to him and start bonding.

I couldn't agree with you more wholeheartedly...bonding is complex Thank you Luvparrots!

This is fun...How would you like to experience hand-feeding with your Grey without having to actually getting a new bird? What you need is Cream of Wheat, a thermometer, and a spoon. Mix up some Cream of Wheat with water cook it but not a paste, slightly runny (not too thick). Heat until it is no less than 105 and no more than 109 degrees Fahrenheit. On a table, put your Grey in front of you and hold a spoonful to the beak. It won't take long before the Grey realizes and starts gulping it down, reverting to its childhood...If you are lucky the Grey may even hold its wings out and bob..at the worst case, they'll just eat it or walk away...Three or four teaspoons are plenty, It also helps in bonding.

This is from a post I did way back when but it's still relevant.... Posted May 24, 2010 Abundant feeding Abundant feeding, is exactly what the name apply, To have enough food available for your growing baby that they'll never have to search or worry about food. The change from "Rapid weaning" to "Abundant Feeding came about in the early "90's". A study of wild and hand raised Hyacinth Macaws showed that hand raised H macaw's of the time were stunted, smaller, and out of proportion. At the time, rapid weaning was in favor, hand feeding would be cut to force the birds to wean and eat solid food sooner. Through these studies, Abundant feeding came about. What is Abundant feeding? At all times you have more food available then is needed for the babies, yes some food is wasted, but you have a healthy bird...Have plenty of pellets and seed's available at all times, fresh veggies through-out the day, and most important, hand-feeding as long as the baby wants it, no exceptions. Posted May 24, 2010 Go ahead with the food, at this stage they do more playing with it than eating but they will start eating...remember to remove your soaked pellets after 2 hours. I don't suggest adding anything to the formula other than a 1/4 teaspoon of peanut butter if the baby is underweight. The formula actually stimulates the desire for solid foods. ...every baby is different. Does your baby have big feet and large bones? Spock has extremely large feet...he always has... How many times are you feeding your baby a day? My personal feelings are no...I worry too much about stretched crops. I've seen it too many times. The crop should be spongy when you touch it with your finger...not tight. Another concern of mine regarding feeding formula is I've seen incidents where too much formula has been given and it cools too fast and impacts which sometimes can be resolved and other times not. In the early ninety's with the impending law to stop all importation of new birds to the US, the bird pet industry went into overdrive to captive-breed existing parrots. During this time, we were paid $20 a day to feed 80-100 babies a day. This was with a Gavage needle inserted into the crop. This is definitely NOT my way of feeding unless I have a sick or injured bird. Jayd

Thank you. Next week work hm up to 50cc, stay on 3 times a day for 3 more weeks then reduce hm to twice a day. Get yourself a low cage an put 2 perches as low as you can. line the bottom of the cage with soft towels.Acclimate him out of the brooder, NO DRAFTS!!!You can put a light for extra heat if needed. He'll let you know if he's hungry...You need a postal scale and weigh him each morning after his big poop,Record it. Only formula now...Please keep us informed..