auntjane

Interesting story. Just goes to show that sometimes "just show love and patience" isn't necessarily the way to go. Oftentimes a firm, non-nonsense approach works wonders. Good luck with her....jane

I don't think there is any quick fix or time frame for this short of glueing their little feets to the perch:lol: . They are babies who don't know what's good for them. You have to be more persistent than they are during this time that it seems like nothing will work ( few thousand times of putting them back just might give them the idea that's where they are supposed to be...maybe). Just make sure they get more fun stuff and attention when they are being good than naughty....jane

Well, I may get some flack for my opinion. The "experts" all say 12 hours or so based on the greys native nearness to the equator and the amount of daylight etc. However, for many of us, that would mean our poor birds would only have contact with us or be out of their cages a couple of hours a day. It's not like they are in the wild, flying miles and miles each day and foraging for food. Mine gets up with me about 5:30AM until he's back in his cage about 6:15. Then when I get home, he may be out of cage until 8PM, sometime even later. Therefore he gets about 9+/- of sleep time and doesn't pluck, scream, bite, etc. Just my opinion......jane