Dave007

I could get one with a stand so it can be moved around depending on when she's in her cage or on top? I'm still concerned about the difference in her sight when she's under UV and when she's not though

UVB LIGHTING--IT'S IMPORTANCE Sticky #34------ Any light shouldn't be placed on the side where a bird can't help but to look at it. It's possible that a bird can get cataracts or vision loss. Some people are able to get a refund or exchange it for a different style.

What I've told people in the past who haven't been able to exchange a light or just can't afford one is just to forget about putting a light on at all. I've told 100s of people that and most have never had any problems

OH and one other thing concerning that crossbar on the playstand---there's a possibility that your bird may decide to not even bother to go up to the playstand area if you hook something on it but that shouldn't be a problem because there's loads of playstands that can be purchased or even homemade. Many people like to make their own.

Hi! I am looking to get a grey in the near future, and want to know as much as possible before I take one home . I currently own a harlequin rabbit and a red fox. I think having a red has prepared me for any parrot bites, :rolleyes:

 

Thanks!

Go to the GREY LOUNGE sticky and look for ----- So you want to be owned by a parrot

Go to the GREY LOUNGE sticky and look for ---- The African grey--have I done my homework?????

Hello, im having a problem with oliver wanting to get at me just about all the time. What I mean about me saying getting me is that anytime he is on the couch and I am in my chair right next to him he goes to the arm or back of the couch as far as he can and just stares and shakes his wings while he is crouching like he wants to jump on me. I have issues with him because he is a biter to me. My partner can handle oliver any way he wants without any problems. Me on the other hand........... I can't get within a foot of him without him lunging at me. So why does oliver consistently want to be right by me? It almost looks as if he wants me to give him a scratch but I am still to nervous to be that close to him, ahhhuggg! I know I need to calm down and not show fear, extremely hard for me to do because of previous attacks. The last attack was just vicious, he would not let go of my hand! He just bit me and bit me until I shook him off me to the floor. I did not want to do that at all but after flipping my hand back and forth to try and make him stop which didn't phase his attack at all, the floor was the next option. I wish I knew Oliver's first 8 years of his life. All I know is that an older lady owned him and gave him up for health reasons. Charlie Parker does not like oliver either right now. So weird though that Oliver just goes out of his way to get at me.

There's many times where a bird living with 2 or more people it won't be as friendly with one person but be very friendly with another in a house. Obviously, the bird isn't reacting to you the way he reacts to your friend. People in situations like that are usually told to stop the friendly touching and petting of that bird. The bird is showing you a different type of connection. If he wasn't doing that he wouldn't come over unless you're the one bringing him there which you shouldn't do. You need to let that bird establish his own relationship with you but don't be surprised if it isn't the same kind of relationship like your friend has with the bird. The bird may just want to be around you but not being touched. A bird needs to show interest in something or some person when it wants to do that. Right now, you're comparing every reaction with your friend and you're expecting the same reaction to you. That's not the way it works especially with rehomed birds. I don't know how long you've had this bird but the bird is an adult and he has set ways of coming around. You should prepare yourself to not see the exact same reaction in the future. If you've only had the bird a very short time, then you need to prepare yourself for this process to happen for a while. Stop trying to pet him even though he's nearby. Forget about his relationship with your friend. You're the one having the problem not your friend. Share chores concerning the bird. You clean the cage and you're friend cleans the cage. You put food in his bowl and then your friend puts food in.

As far as how his body language, check our BODY LANGUAGE link/sticky. It's either in the GREY FORUM room, the HEALTH room or the TRAINING room.

It's in the TRAINING ROOM

The name of the link --- Body language most frequently seen

Really? I'm was thinking for another option. I didn't know about it that crackers can be use as food for parrots. Anyway, Thanks for sharing at least I have learned another good tips.

In this room, both daily all food and treats are discussed. This post about graham crackers is referring to an item that's used as a treat which isn't given everyday.

Good morning fellow fanciers...

 

At 4pm my spouse and I will meet our new adopted "daughter" Ava. We are very excited. Ava will be accompanied by her current, very large, cage, all of her familiar toys, perch and food. Previous owner is ready to share lots of important facts about her routine, likes and dislikes and preferred food and snack. Ava will arrive at our calm, comfortable home and be given plenty of quiet time to become accustomed to her new home and family. We will let her decide when she is ready to join us and interact and make sure we are kind and understanding as she does. She is our first African Grey. I'm looking forward to sharing and learning from your group.

 

David and Lucy

Fort Myers Beach, Florida

You're really doing all the right things at this time:cool:. Look forward to having great experience. Make sure to send pics. People here just love em. Enjoy and :DGood luck

Do you know who the manufacturer is Dave? I'd love to see if they're available in Canada.

Graham crackers are probably one of the oldest types of cookies ever made. The taste is bland and because of all the new types of cookies made, it's been not as appealing especially to kids. The cookie itself is healthy--high protein. You can compare it to the original simple plain Corn flakes that have been around for ages and ages. People don't get excited about them. For example, check Birdhouse's post---

"First time in 27 yrs I might actually have gotten my very own whole, un-nibbled upon treat & it has to be something I don't even like."

I can give you the brand name but I doubt that it won't be necessary because the same honey graham crackers are made by so many companies and they're all the same. Most supermarkets and local grocery stores have them. My wife picked them up at Walmart or Weis because she was doing a heavy duty food shopping that day. She checked them out, saw that the light honey coating was the same as the honey on nutiberries, she bought them. That brand happened to be Great Brands. She knows what foods are safe for birds as well as I do . They're extremely inexpencive. She was the first to give them to the birds when she got home and now when they hear her going in and out of the pantry they get excited. I give my 2 CAGs and 1 TAG a one inch square piece. I give my 2 quakers 1/2 the amount. I'm sure you'll find they're popular in all countries. There's one drawback---Your bird won't give them back to you.

There's a product sold in the cookie/ cake section in supermarkets which is Honey Graham Crackers. The cracker is lightly coated with natural honey. It's the same honey used in Nutriberries with one major difference. The crackers are much cheaper. The cracker is about 2 in. square. Break pieces and feed as much as you want. They can be used for all types of parrots.

Now if your husband, wife, partner, children will allow it, you can be given one if you politely ask.

Spy isn't as chirpy or vocal as usual?

It's been for the past three days.

She been eating fine, her pooh looks fine and there has been no change to her routine.

I've rotated toys and still she just sits on her perch or on her tree watching me.

Usually she'd be chirping to me or the tv or anything.

She has just picked up "what are you doing?" Vocally but saying it when she's in a good mood.

She is only 6 months old so I was never expecting such comprehension.

She hasn't had an accident and she isn't plucking.

I miss the usual vocalizations and I'm concerned it may be something I'm missing or not doing.

Anybody have any ideas?

When she was vocal I'd reward her with a sunflower seed. Not even some of them are bringing her back.

She has always been shy with other family members around. But it's just been me and her for the past few days.

She has even stopped the where are you chirp when I leave the room which I always reply back with a whistle.

Hmmm?

I don't think any vet visit is necessary. Understand that greys go into quiet times and that's nothing unusual. As long as she's following her normal routine, the talking and sounds will return when she feels like it. As greys get older, they become a bit more quiet. They're very selective. Your bird is very young and you're not used to all the phases of grey ownership. One thing you're doing which is very wrong is giving sunflower seed when she starts making sounds. Making sounds is a natural thing and birds shouldn't be rewarded when they're doing natural things.

She also always signs her name at the end of her posts, this didn't have it and her email is different.

Good observation

Hey Nancy, how about taking a little time to start answering all the questions that people have been asking for a couple of days concerning your bird. People are been showing concern. An answer would be appreciatred.

Thanks everyone. This has been a week and he's still not right. We had a lot going on around here: cages moved out of the dining room so that we could get our cabinets lacquered, minor fumes from that project, and the cup falling onto his back. Now that I look back, it seems that he's been quiet the entire week our cabinet project had been underway.

 

I actually took him in last night. The vet focused on the cup incident rather than suspecting it could be an underlying illness brewing. He checked out fine. Weighed in at 493 grams. He's still eating and pooping okay, but continues to be quiet. I have some pain meds for him, and will take him back into the vet if he doesn't improve over the next couple of days.

Pain meds? How do you know he's in pain? What's gonna give you a sign to give meds? The vet said he's ok. Think twice about using meds especially if they're not necessary.

Sounds like your bird has simply had a rough week because of all the different things going on and what he's doing is nothing unusual when lots of action and commotion and moving around all over the place is occurring.

Well its been 3 days now and so far no more eggs. I should have mentioned that she had nothing to do with the egg from the start. Before I read up on not taking the egg out, I had already done so and was assuming from what I read there would be others by now. I should also add that this bird has never been so close to me. She never bites like she sometimes used to and for sure she would never let me pick her up by grabbing her body, only a step up. Now she does absolutely nothing when I pick her up, she almost seems like she's someone else, not the same bird I'm used to having. In a way it's great that we're so close, but dang she doesn't want me out of her sight and when I am she's constantly making that high pitched sound that greys are known for. I'm hoping this is something that will pass in time. :-)

Well its been 3 days now and so far no more eggs.

that's not unusual. I didn't think there would be any more.

I should have mentioned that she had nothing to do with the egg from the start

That's also a good sign that it was all hormonal which is not unusual.

Now she does absolutely nothing when I pick her up, she almost seems like she's someone else, not the same bird I'm used to having. In a way it's great that we're so close, but dang she doesn't want me out of her sight and when I am she's constantly making that high pitched sound that greys are known for. I'm hoping this is something that will pass in time. :-)

there's nothing wrong with being close and friendly with her. Just don't pet those areas that I mentioned.

making that high pitched sound that greys are known for. I'm hoping this is something that will pass in time

Making noise is something that no one can tell you about although yhings should go back to normal after some time has passed. Maybe a few weeks. maybe a few days. That has to do with your bird.

Well I finally found out that my girl is really a girl since I was told she was that when I purchased her 5 yrs ago(she's 8yrs now) but was never told that she was DNA checked. Found a pretty good sized egg in her cage late this morning. I must say I'm not really thrilled this happened because now I have to be careful of egg binding I'm sure. My question is, what should I be doing now, giving more calcium? Part of her diet is almonds on a daily basis but is that enough now? She had her yearly exam last Sept. and everything was fine as far as any deficiencies go.

 

I believe I might be part of the reason she did this as she has really grown more fond of me in the past few months especially with the mating dance and trying to feed me. I try discouraging this but maybe I didn't try hard enough, something I will for sure be doing from now on. My biggest fear is her getting egg bound, what are some of the signs of this, I mean will the egg be stuck partially out?

 

Any advice on egg laying or how to discourage it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks :cool:

It's not a common occurrence with greys but if it does happen, the grey will more than likely be an adult bird who's an adult bird. Greys very rarely get eggbound

General procedure is---The egg needs to be left alone with the female for a full incubation cycle which is 31 to 33 days or until she shows no interest in the egg. No nesting material should be put in. Eggs shouldn't be disturbed. If the egg is on the bottom of the cage, just leave it there.Extra attention shouldn't be given because the female may bite.The female will stat ignoring the eggs as she nears the end of her cycle. Only then should the eggs be removed one by one(if there's more than one egg) 1 every other day until they're gone. Remove any nesting material or what could possibly look like nesting material away from the cage, inside and out after the egg/eggs have been removed.

**mating dance and trying to feed me.** stop touching her or petting sensitive areas--upper and lower breast, near the tail. No special attention should be given. Don't change diet. There's a few other species of parrots where egg binding can happen frequently. Watch the general behavior all the time. It shouldn't change other than possibly some interest in the egg. Removing the egg right now will only cause her to produce another egg.

This was posted in 2007

My African Grey Just Laid An Egg!!

I've started using the video bbcode which embeds the video in the post with the youtube video thumbnail as the picture shown. There may be a setting where you have videos turned off or something.

 

 

Here's the direct link:

Very nice aviary

VERY ABUSED GREY--SO SAD

Hi all, my name is Pepper and I am an extremely abused African Grey Parrot. I am looking for a new home where I can live my life the way I was meant to. In an attempt to convey to you the level of abuse, let me give you some examples:

My day does not start off well. I wake up with the sun around 6:00am. I then start whistling for dad. Often, dad ignores me and does not come right away. Sometime it is not until 7:30am before dad comes to get me out of my cage.

Every other day or so, I get a shower. Dad gets me all wet and then I am patted by an evil towel. I am not sure what type of torture this is supposed to be, but he pats me all over and then he lets me sit and drip.

When dad is shaving, he does not let me play with the shaving cream.

What is with that? He's such an SOB!!!!

After playing with me for a measly hour, dad makes my breakfast. I like to take things out of my bowl and throw them while dad is preparing things, but he doesn't let me do that anymore. Now he makes me WATCH while is getting things ready. I feel like I am going to have a breakdown at these times. I hate his cruelty.

BREAKFAST SUCKS!!! Dad puts all this crap in my bowl. Pellets, Dried fruit, nuts, seeds, and other things. I think he is trying to starve me to death. All I need are peanuts. And French fries. Just fill my bowl with peanuts and French fries and I'll be fine. I've tried to tell him this but he won't listen. He just doesn't care how I feel.

When dad leaves for work he puts me in my huge cage. Or should I say the torture chamber. There are things hanging all over the place. Bells, ropes, plastic things, wood things, all sorts of things. I tried attacking these things and ripping them to shreds, but new ones keep showing up. It'a a never ending uphill battle.

Once a week, dad takes me to work. This is not fun. He puts me in a plastic box and then puts me in the car. I can't see where I am going!! I dig and dig and finally he lets me out so I can see, but it takes him FOREVER!! Just think about it--1/2 hr IS FOREVER!!

At work, there are a whole bunch of evil people. They all try to touch

Me, and play with me. I just bite them all. Except for one guy. I like him.

Dinner time is teasing time. Dad eats his dinner and does not give it all to me. Sometimes, he gives me a piece of his dinner, but I just throw it on the floor to point out my displeasure. There are times I prefer take out, plain and simple but he just shrugs.

Finally, I can't even start to tell you about all the things that I can't do. I can't chew on the paper towels that dad used to clean up my poop. I

Can't chew on dad's mail. I can't chew on dad's notebook computer. I can't chew on the remote control. I can't chew on the telephone cable. Anyway, you get the point. I'm a parrot and simply wanna try the unknown. You think he cares??

So, please, please, If you know of a home that can satisfy my needs, let me know immediately.

Thank you all, for your help and understanding.

Bless you

Well I decided that Charlie Parker needed his little toe nails trimmed the other day. I tried to sand them down with an emery board last month but of course all Charlie wanted to do was chew on the darn thing so luckily I had a couple of them and let him chew on the first one, which turned into the next and next lol. I was rotating them to try and keep him busy. I did get a few done but not enough. I decided to go an buy some bird nail clippers, used them and I don't think i'll do that again. I accidentally cut one of his front nails to short and it started to bleed everywhere, Yep, I panicked all right. I had some stop blood liquid junk that didn't do a thing. I tried to apply pressure but no luck with that either. A quick call to an emergency vet said to make him stand in flour to stop the bleeding and it worked immediately, close call! I know I wasn't suppose to panic but I couldn't help it because I was under a lot of stress from being burglarized not 3 hours prior to trimming his nails and other people saying to me stop the bleeding, stop the bleeding. boy did I feel guilty about hurting my lil boy, I didn't even care about the house being broke into at that point. The only reason I tried to trim his nails was because when he stood on a flat surface his toe pad wasn't touching the surface, his nail was pushing up his pad and even made the toes kinda bend sideways. I read that the nail should not push up on his toe at all. At least now I know flour stops toe nail bleeding and that I need to have some on hand so I don't have to run next door in a frenzy asking for flour. I think Charlie forgave me within a day, so forgiving he is.

Your bird is approx. 5 mts old. At that age, the nails are still soft and a bit pointy. This especially applies to baby birds who've been clipped. A bird needs to be able to grab things and sink or press the claws in to develop strength and balance. Putting a 8 to 10 inch concrete perch in the cage which will keep the claws slightly blunted. Later on, as Sterling has suggested, a dremel tool should be used because hitting the quik is greatly diminished. Using these types of methods helps to keep the claws blunted as the bird ages.It's an great method to use for a person who has little experience when using clippers. As time goes on, the claws don't need to have the claws clipped very often. In the wild, greys use those sharp claws to grab onto different sized branches.

When you first posted, I wasn't paying attention to dates. Your first post was 3-29-16. You said that you had your bird 7 days before that. So that means you've had your bird since 3-22-16. Today it's 4-2-16. That means that as of now you've had your bird for 11 days. It seems like no one has told you including myself that you need to let your bird get used to everything around it which is usually much longer than 11 days. So, leaving your bird alone and letting him digest everything around him would be the best thing for him and that also includes grouling, screaming, lunging at people. His cage is his new home and that home is now on new property where he has to get used to the grocery stores, shopping malls, nearby schools, the local police dept., favorite pubs. These things are usually done by him/herself and assistance is usually asked for by the bird when the bird gets more comfortable and brave with his new surroundings.

Understand what I mean?

Your bird needs time, lots of time. Alone time.

hi everyone

noodles my 3 yr old cag has been with me 8 months now. We have lost a few neck and chest feathers due to him coming to a new home but he has calmed down alot nw and the misting with aloe vera juice has helped alot. i have the room r/h around 65% feed him harrisons pellets with frest fruit,veg and select nuts eg walnut..almonds non salted. I have recently been waking up to feathers at the bottom of cage e.g flight feathers couple of tail feathers and he is constantly preening even with one or two misting a day ?I really cant tell if he is molting or plucking these feather out ? any help/advice would be grateful .

thankyou (ps he has been vets and bloods and health is fine)

Flight feathers, tail feathers, covert features are different from the huge amount of feathers that are discarded once or twice a year. That's what's called *molting*

Flight feathers, tail feathers, covert feathers have blood lines in them. Periodically, that blood dries up which makes those feathers start to dry out and die. Those feathers then fall out any time they start to die. It can happen at any time of the year and most of the time only a few will fall out when they die. Sometimes 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 yeathers will die and the bird helps the feathers to fall out by pulling at them. Then those feathers are replaced with new ones. This whole process is not molting. It happens when those feathers die and it happens all year long and there's no predicting when it'll happen. That's what's happening to your bird.

Thanks for the help Dave =)

This can be a starting point---------when your bird is in his cage, calmly go over to him without sticking your face in the cage. Start talking to him as if you were talking to another person ( of course, don't expect him respond:)) You'll notice that he'll bend his head to the side and start at you. His head will probably stay in that position while you're talking. Talk about the weather, what you watched on TV, your wife or girlfriend, what you bought at the grocery store. Have a wristwatch or clock nearby. As time goes on, he'll straighten his head and not really pay attention. Check out the amount of time he paid attention. Example, 10 min. Next time you do it stop at 9 min while he's still paying attention. Walk away and repeat this about 2 to 3 times a day. Always stop while the bird is still interested in your talking. What you're doing is building trust. The bird will not dislike you as much. He'll be curious. AGAIN, it will take time to gain a bird's confidence and this whole thing also applies to other types of parrots.

Hello guys ^^ I'm new here and i really need some help...

So I got this new African grey from a pet store that was closing because he was traveling and not returning. The problem with my new cag is that i don't know how old is he/she i don't know what's it's gender and i don't know what's it's been through... it's been exactly 7 days since i got it and we're all happy and exited because me and my family really love animals and especially birds. Another problem that's really disappointing me is that we have to keep it in a cage because if we even come near it, it starts to growl like a dog and if someone touches it's cage it becomes really angry and starts to rage in its cage which might cause it to hurt itself =( and i don't want that to happen... I really want it to stop growling so i can interact with it and make it feel safe and loved. Thanks everyone! =)

Hi--- as for the gender of the bird, the only way to find out about the sex of the bird is to have an avian vet run a DNA test on your bird or have a certain company that will do the same thing if a small drip of blood or a flight feather is sent so that DNA can be found.

As far as age, it's very difficult to tell how old a grey is when the grey is older than 6 yrs old. Your best bet is to locate the person you got the bird from to get a rough idea about the age.

As far as behavior, that could have developed in a few ways--it's common for a grey who was preowned to act that way with new people. On the other hand, there's greys that will act in the opposite way.

Your bird is in a new place with a new environment, with new people showing everyday habits. The bird should be be situated amongst the family members so it gts use to different people and different family habits. Of course, more can be iscussed in future posts.

Just remember that what your bird is doing is being caused by FEAR or being used to only living in a cage. Your bird may have been mistreated and finds that the cage is his safe place. Just remember that it will take time.

Hi I am new to this forum, I have an African Grey 32 years old. he just started plucking his feathers from his chest. It is really bad, since he hasn't done it before. Any ideas? I do have a vet that I have taken him to before, so I will call her tomorrow. but its worrisome.

Hi

If your bird is 32 yrs old, I doubt that your bird has any type of permanent chronic barbering problem and barbering isn't plucking. When a bird is barbering feathers he's cracking longer feathers in half. Plucking feathers is plucking the whole feather from the skin. It's extremely hard for any bird to *barber* chest feathers. The feathers are too small. Your bird may be developing a dry, itchy area which causes a bird to pluck those areas. Another scenario may be a change in the surrounding humidity in his living area. Another problem may be the adding of new toys or items to his area. Another problem is movement of a cage to another area which may be strange. In any case, spraying that area with cool water may stop a bird from plucking.

In your situation, a vet visit is a good idea because your vet may suggest what specific items to use on the irritated area. If your bird was doing this for a very long time ( 6 mts to a 1 yr ) there's other items that can be used on the bird but your vet will probably recognize the problem and guide you from there. Good luck.

A very comforting bedtime lullaby

Thanks Dave007 for your informative reply. We do generally tend to avoid chemicals as a general rule of thumb as better to be safe than sorry!

 

The house can smell in general (we have a pet gerbil who sometimes can stink the place out) not from Babs-the place suffers from a lot of mould and damp and we figure that the smell is from that (it's one of the reasons why we're moving). We open windows as much as possible to try and get rid of it and have a dehumidifier to get rid of any condensation. I do find myself hoovering up as much as possible because she's throwing her food out onto the carpet and making a mess every time she's out (it's really too small in here to have the guards out around the cage to prevent this) and don't want the mess as with it being a very small place any mess can get overbearing very quickly. Anything that can get rid of the smell of damp would be good. Would reed diffusers/pot pourri be a safer alternative to air fresherners and candles?

Yes, mice, gerbils, guinny pigs, hamsters can cause odor. You say that you're constantly vacuuming up seed and other foods that your bird throws out of the cage. Well, it might be worth your while to pick up one of those mini hand vacs. They're quick, strong, extremely light weight,pick up most of everything, has no odor. Almost all vacuum companies make their own version but usually most of them work the same way. As years have passed, they actually make them with a rechargeable battery pack just like other electric tools---drills, chain saws, garden trimmers etc. Usually, they're inexpensive. I have 2 of them. Both are very old models ( about 15 yrs old). One works and the other is now broken. Both were made by Hoover. My wife uses it in the bird room as well as a million other areas. Because of where I live, dust lingers around. They cost about $25 to $35 (American). Think about it. They're very popular and you'll find loads of areas where the item will help.

***Would reed diffusers/pot pourri ***

Sorry but I'm not familiar with those items. Maybe someone else can answer that.

Ok so I'm not sure if this is the correct area for this to be in or not (moderators please feel free to move if it isn't ).

 

We live in private rented accomodation with a 6 month old grey. She comes out every day and she's out the majority of the time. Generally she is good with knowing that poos are only done in the cage or on the top of the cage where her play stand is (cage came with it) which she loves to be on. However there have been a few times where a few accidents have happened and there are stains on the carpet. We're due to move out into a bigger place in a few months and so I was wondering does anyone know how to get rid of them without using harsh chemicals? (Otherwise if the stains are left it could affect how much we get paid back from our deposit when leaving.) We have a carpet cleaner but am wary of using chemicals near her because we know that such things can be dangerous to her. If anyone knows of anything that could get rid of the stains that doesn't use harsh chemicals it would be great to hear from you.

 

Another thing-sometimes the place can smell (we do clean a lot too). When Babs is in her cage we keep the windows open. Obviously we know not to use candles, incense, essential oils etc. However just leaving the windows doesn't always work. Does anyone have any parrot safe alternatives to have a nice smelling home again?

Not all *chemical products * are bad. In your case you should use FABRESE cleaner. It's a spot remover. The poo is allowed to dry and then picked up. Spray a little Fabrese on that spot, let it sit on the spot for about 5 min. and then use a paper towel and blot it up. Voila, the stain is gone. It doesn't change the color of the rug. People also use it when a dog or cat throws up. The Fabrese has a nice mild odor that disapeers within 3 min. It has no effect on the birds. Most of the time, it's better than using water because using water requires rubbing it in. When using Fabrese, a slight foam appears.

As far as your second part of your post, I have no idea what yor're referring to. Are the birds causing the odor? Is that area just naturally smelly? Sometimes constant cleaning especially with a vacuum can cause odors. That's why people are told to remove birds when a rug is getting steamed. It's only water but that process causes odor. Birds have to be kept away until the odor disapates.

Remember that Fabrese has a nice odor that goes away quickly. Hope this helps.