Alexandrines

[Tycos_mom]

We had our thank giving last month so I'm fine now till Christmas I had my fill of Turkey and pumpkin pie. My birds are all great I still haveing a few problems with Gizmo comeing out if his cage he came out the other night when we where putting up the christmas tree but he hasn't come out since. Rajas great following me aroud everywhere I go. I'm sick with a cold at the moment so I don't feel like doing much of anything but I'll live . Have a great thanksgiving talk to you soon

[bettyboop]

Poor Gizmo,

He has been in the cage so long , eventually he will discover the joy of freedom .I am sure everything is still new and scary .It took our first Grey 7 months to relax with our home being his. It just takes time .It will work out.

Sorry you have a cold , I had something that lasted two weeks , but am better now .

Yes , Raja sounds very much like Zsa Zsa perched on you , they are so curious.

Wow , you already have your tree up , oh my , you are way ahead of me.Mine should go up this weekend , hopefully.

Good to hear from you .

Take care,

Mary<br><br>Post edited by: bettyboop, at: 2008/11/25 11:44

[zooman]

Thinking about it im glad we have our thanksgiving sooner, there wouldnt be enough time from now till christmas to crave turkey again, and wow its only really 4 weeks away already...

 

My birds are ok, wish i could take them outside but its colddd out, winter started early this year, last year we hardly had snow at christmas.

 

IM sorry your still having trouble with getting gizmo outside the cage. I give you credit it must be very tough when some of your birds are so outgoing and have one that needs so much more time.

 

My family well brother doesnt like the birds so when he does come over i put them in their cages for the bit, I know i dont have to but its not worth causing a an argument.

 

Have a great holiday and the next day you have that shopping day right?

[bettyboop]

Our birds always stay in their cages when we have company , I am too afraid someone will open a door and stand there for a while and talk , which they do.....

Our birds sort of get nervous when others are in the house anyway.Especially if it is someone , I don't care for, the can feel my anxiety.

You know even though it is cold outside , we still have temps in the 70's, so ours are still getting out for about an hour on the weekends, as long as they are in a sunny spot . Move to Texas, year round great weather ...

 

Gizmo will be Ok , he will work it out , it's only been a short time , I am sure he is still adjusting .

Yes Christmas is upon us , OMG ..Panic , just kidding .We have a very large family .....$$$$$$.Plus the youngest son is now engaged to a woman who has two small children , like we needed that .HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. We can't figure this one out . Stupid is as stupid does.....

Zsa Zsa , and Sammy get me at home for four full days , I know they can feel the excitment in the air , the flowers came in last night for the tables and boy they were eye balling them . I told Z "don't even think about it ", she loves flowers , she loves tearing them up and eating them , especially those spider looking mum things ...She is so funny . I told Sammy pretty flowers , so he said it over and over till bed time .Such a hoot. We are having 20 for Thanksgiving and 5 are little boys , ages 10-3 years old .My birds will for sure be in their cages under lock and key with close supervision .

Hugs ,

M

[Tycos_mom]

I don't envy you at all I'm glad its you and not me. I used to love haveing everyone for dinner when my kids where growng up now I don't do it anymore its their turn now. My one daughter just finshed cooking school. Its her turn to cook Chrismas dinner this year yum yum. We are haveing our Chrismas dinner on chrismas eve this year because she has another side of the family that she is going to for Chrismas day. I don't care I actually like that better then I can enjoy Christmas day at home with my youngest chid and my birds. without haveing todo anything. I'll just bring a plate of left overs home for our dinner on Chrismas day and then I won't even have to cook. I will have a great xmas. There isn't allot of money around this year for any of us so we are just buying for the kids this year. There are only 5 kids. mind you I'll probubly end up buying something small for everyone regardless just the way I am.

[zooman]

That is a good call, never thought of the flying out the door, that would be the scariest thing in the world. Wow you do have a big family, I dont think i could handle 20 people in a house at one time unless you have a big house. My niece and nephew are pretty lively i couldnt imagine having soo many and good idea to have them under lock and key, hope the kids know to keep fingers away. I dont think zuri would bite but tiago is verry cage protective so fingers wouldnt last long, once out though he has no probs going to anyone again except for my brother and your right they can sense people that dont like them, no one gets growled at except him.

 

Hmm move to texas tempting but going to my doctor shouldnt cost me a arm and a leg, here i go to my doctor and leave and dont pay a dime. I know that americans wait much less time for treatments but boy id rather wait sometimes then pay $$$ for a doctor..but otherwise i dont think id mind living i the U.S i have tons of family in Massachusetts and Rhode Island and loved visiting there, gorgeous areas.

[bettyboop]

I only pay $10 for a co pay at the Dr.'s office .It's not free but it's not that expensive.

Yes, we do have a big family , it is usually pretty lively...Sometimes it's over bearing but at Easter and Thanksgiving , we are the only ones that offer to have everyone over .If we don't do it , it won't happen . So , it's more important to me for it to happen than not . We do have a large house and thats why everyone expects us to have it .

Zsa Zsa sits on her top perch and doesnt move when we have a house full , Sammy climbs around , but we watch the cages very close .We also tell the parents they will bite , so it's up to you to tell your children do not touch !The birds know our Grand children , so they usually are excited to see the older ones.

I think it says a lot when they growl at people . They sense things , for a reason . There is one person , and when he comes in , Zsa Zsa squawks , over and over . Poor thing ,she will usually stop when I talk to her . It is so cute , she runs over to the cage side where I am , like save me , save me....

[bettyboop]

Pat , I hear you about the buying for kids. I think that is great , but our kids just looked at us ...They think we have a tree out back and just go pick $100 dollar bills .

Christmas should be simple , and it never is with us ...I am so happy your Daughter is cooking for you , what a wonderful treat .I could dream about that .HA HA .....

I wish we all lived close and you all could come over for Christmas Day , we could talk all day about our birds and enjoy a nice fire .Drink some nog together.Yum....Nice thought....

Anyway , I better go , I am cooking the Turkey and it's almost time to get the dressing ready .

Have a nice day ,

M

[zooman]

yes im guessing you have health insurance which is nice, but i know my aunt in the U.S. had a hell of a time for payment once for a treatment and after watching a documentary about the health care and insurance i would be a little worried. Its more the heart attacks and cancer which is nice when you know that its paid for and you dont have to worry about if your insurance is going to cover it, it just is paid for, so you worry only about getting better.

 

Well i hope you had a great holiday anyways and im sure your birds got lots of treats and leftovers and my birds do the same things. They both climb as high as they can and zuri just sits scared and tiago will for a few minutes and then preen like he does 90% of the day..haha.

 

It would be nice to get together you sound lie a really great cook so its tempting..its soo hard finding bird people around here. IM looking for a parrot club here but so far no good.

[Tycos_mom]

I often thought about moving to Texas when I was younger My grandmother lived there and so does my Aunt Uncle and cousins. But I love Canada especialy BC I'd never be happy anywhere else. You can't get better than paradise on earth and thats what BC is so this is home. You never know though might come to Texas for a holiday sometime. Like I said I got relatives in Texas so you never know.

[bettyboop]

Why don't you form a bird club ? It would be fun . Perhaps the bird store you shop at could help you .Or , do you have bird rescue in Canada ? A place where people surrender their birds if they can no longer care for them .I would do a search on Yahoo and see what comes up .

If either of you come to Texas , I would love to meet you guys . So if you do , let me know .

 

I have had no problems with health care and we have great Dr.'s , so I havent experienced anything that has been bad . I know with anything in the media they always concentrate on the bad and never the good .We have great insuance coverage , and I have always had good care with them .

Yes, the birds loved the treats . When everyone was gone , I found a Marshmellow , pickle an olive in the bottom of Zsa Zsa 's cage and a cookie , and part of a roll in the bottom of Sammy's cage .I was pissed .(excuse please) I have no idea when this happened.....

The young lady that is engaged to our youngest son has a 6 year old Autistic boy who wanted to climb on Z's cage . He even had his mouth on the cage , I asked her to make him stop and she just stood there , allowing him to do this , so we just rolled those big cages to the office and locked the door . When they left , I told my Husband you better straighten this out , I am not putting our birds through this again , ever ...He agreed. I was so mad and am so concerned about this situation . He has no idea what he is getting into and what he is getting us into .This child was playing with his food , putting food in his hair , throwing food at the table . I know he is ill , but she needs to get him some help , and she just told him to stop but didnt enforce her decipline, I am not happy with her Mothering skills with this child . The 4 year old was ok , he was a normal typical child , except he is still wearing pull ups ,(DIAPER ) come on , my 3 year old Grandson has been potty trained since he was 2.

Sorry guys , I am venting on you .

The food was gone , they ate it all , and you can not imagine how much we had. We had very little leftovers and I cooked a 15 lb. turkey and a 10 lb. ham . Wow , amazing how 20 people can eat so much . I am on a diet , so I am glad it is gone...HA HA ....

[Tycos_mom]

I understand how you feel mabiie she didn't want him to throw a tantrum I've heard he Autistic children can get quite aggresive when they get angry and will desroy your house or hurt oher people mabie she didnn' want to have something really bad happen Autistic children hold everything in so when the do le it all out people can get hurt. She probubly just wanted o make sure he stay cool and calm. Oh well It only one dinner I hope you don't have to have them for Christmas also. Mabie he can go to his grand parents house fr dinner on Christmas. Anyway I'm sorry your night was ruined family get togethers should be a time for fun and lots of love going around and its to bad when something happens to ruin it

[bettyboop]

The evening wasnt ruined , it wasnt a long drawn out situation .However the safty of my birds is up to me . I can't imagine how freaked Zsa Zsa was .

Unfortunatly , they will be at our house for Christmas , we are becoming his Grandparents .....

I know what you are saying about Autistic children , and this is her responsibility, to see to it that he is getting help , to help him learn how to act . I don't think he is in a formal type training program .She hasnt done what she needs to do for this child .There are many Goverment programs she can get him involved in free, and she hasnt.I am not being rude, or insensitive , this is very sad , and I feel very bad for the little boy . I know we have never been in a situation like this before , and it's not that we are judging her , but after all this is our home.<br><br>Post edited by: bettyboop, at: 2008/11/29 13:43

[zooman]

That must have been really rough but thankfully they didnt give the birds anything toxic like avacado or something. But i totally agree that they must have been really freaked out. When my niece and nephew met my birds i told them right away to be respectful and not shout etc. around them and they have never dont anything like that. The locking them in a room was a good call at least you know now right? and that they are ok and no one got hurt? We know how a bite from a parrot can hurt and the damage it could do to a childs face with him chewing on it....

 

As for the mother i cant imagine like with a child with that condition it must be soo hard. Shes right they can be very explosive and go into rages. Its a very sad thing when you cant connect with your child. In a sense they are a shell and it takes tons of work to get them in tune with us. Although she should try to control this in other peoples home a all costs. Thats the main thing i see what you mean.

 

And im glad we can help in letting out your rant lol..

[bettyboop]

Thanks Zooman

I feel bad for the little boy , and I have never had to correct our Grand kids with our birds .They were told just like you told the neice and nephew , don't do this or what ever .They are respectful .

I can't just sit back and watch my birds just take what ever this little boy wants to do .I know the Mother has her hands full , but they can help this child .She just has to take classes and attend the workshops.

[Tycos_mom]

Mabie she doesn't know what is availab;e to her. I agree totally that she should be doing all she can to help her son grow as much as he can. Autistic children can learn to be productive members of society with the proper learning and guidance. They are usually extreamly gifted in some way. His mom shouuld definatly be exploring everything that they have so that he can reach his highest potencial. If she not doing these things for her child then some one should talk to her about this so she knows that there are these programs available.

[Poppy]

My son is on the ASD spectrum and I agree with you.I have attended numerous workshops and have got support when needed.My son is respectful and pleasant to have around.I have never had any problems with him with George ,he can feed him talk to him and hold him without any fear .He knows the rules ,they were explained to him and he understands them . So maybe she has not got the help and support she may well need.Im in the Uk so dont know if things are different in the US.

[bettyboop]

Poppy,

Good for you . I am glad there are parents that do all they can for their children, what ever they can to help them be the best .

We purchased Jenny McCarty's book yesterday for her , a Christmas gift . I do hope it helps and she doesnt get mad at us . The book has web sites , diet information , materials to order , and where to get free help .

This is all new to us , so I am not sure what is available.

Thank you for the input.

Mary

[zooman]

That is always risky buying a book like that. It could go either way, some moms are so convinced they are in control and dont want others advice, that being said im not saying their arent fathers like that too, so dont think im being sexist. The father should be def helping too, and im not meaning your son although if hes marrying her he could try and help. I have a friend that her step brother has a condition much like his and his mom doesnt want to put him into special classes so that he "different than the other boys" even though hes failing or doing poorly. Its unfortunate and yes she is correct they are usually gifted in some way it takes time to realize it. You are at least trying to help her which is great she is going to be your daughter in law soon.

[bettyboop]

Thank you Zooman,

Last night I told my Husband , "we can't give her that book " , you are so right ....She is going to be offended, and that is the last thing , I would want .

She acts very frustrated with him , and very impatient.She is very young and comes from a very poor background which is OK , but her level of Education is lacking also .This bothers me , if her parents didnt expect anything out of her , how can she expect more out of him .So sad ....As far as I know , the Father of this child is no where to be found.Nor is the second childs Father.Yikes.......

Anyway , I came to the conclusion , just stay out of it . If she wants to talk , I will listen .

My only concern is my Birds when they do come over . She will have to keep them off my birds cages .

Thank you for the input,

Mary

[zooman]

If you knew her better and gave the indication she wanted help id say then you have a good thought. Maybe give the book to your son and he can be like "hey since we are in this together since the fathers are gone...whoa i really wonder about stuff like that, but anyways your son can be like i want to help and this might help US, that is the safest route. Once you get to know her better and she opens up that will be the time to give her motherly and experienced help. Well thats my help..lol

 

Wow this thing has gotten off the whole bird topic..haha, K..how are your birds doing anyways have they recovered from the thanksgiving scare?

[bettyboop]

Sorry , I have us completly off topic .I am sorry , however my birds were involved .

Thank you for the tip , I plan to do exactly as you have advised , I can give the book in private to our Son and it will help him as well as her .Enough said , about this subject.

My Birds are doing great , they just finished dinner . Fat and happy and hanging onto us like there is no tomorrow .We are walking trees, ha ha . They look great right now , can't figure out why , but tonight I was looking at their feathers and Zsa Zsa is so brilliant colored , and Sammy looks so smooth and perfect .I am always so concerned about their getting all the nutrients , I can get them to eat .

They are sweet little birds , and I am so happy we have them . Sammy has settled some the past month , he seems to be getting kinder and more laid back .He has been with us 9 months and that's about enough time to plan on staying and being part of the gang .

How are your boys doing , any new tricks ? How about the play stand ?

Thanks again for the wonderful tip .Karma to you for helping me .

Mary

[zooman]

was it just me or was the greysforums down for a few days i couldnt get to this page at all?

 

and dont think i didnt want to talk about your problem it was just funny how we stopped talking about the birds. Its not a bad thing at all, and im glad i was some help to you.

 

My zuri is going through a molt so he's leaving his feathers everywhere..lol..but im glad yours are looking so pretty. I always look at mine and think they look good to some days more than other days.

 

As for the playstand i havent had a lot of time ive been christmas shopping and then i work a bit more later into the mornings so i get up later. I still dont have an exact plan on what i want. Im soo confused, on what would suit me and them the best. As for tricks i got both of them on the turn around now but ive been working on zuri and his harness for the summer so thats where my effort has been.

 

Do you buy christmas gifts for yours? what do you usually buy?

[bettyboop]

Ha Ha, yes along with the dogs they all get a toy for christmas.Just something to entertain them . They don't understand , I'm sure .

 

No problems here with the site being down , actually I haven't been on since Friday ....

 

Oh , I know about talking about the problem , but we are suppose to stay on the topic of birds .I think we are to discuss the other stuff in private.Thanks again for the help.Actually , I plan on just staying out of it ....

 

That is super , they both can turn around , my birds look at us like we are crazy when we try to teach tricks . They know come here , and they usually obey .I have worked on this since day one , just in case , which I won't mention .

They are smart and so much fun . Yesterday since we were home all day , they knew it was Saturday, and boy the calls they did to come out for the day , was almost ear shattering .ha ha , they won . We had a good day .

I told you ZsaZsa goes after water and the other day she was on my coffee cup which she has shown no interest in at all . Sammy , likes coke , so we can't leave a coke sitting around or he gets it , and says yummy , I think he has only done this a couple of times.It's not as though I allow him to drink coke.

How about your boys , do they like something you eat or drink ?

[Tycos_mom]

My birds are looking exceptionly pretty these days also Fergie my Amazon just went through the heaviest molt I've ever seen and her feathers are floresnt lime green now I have never seen a bird glow before but right now she is doing just that. Gizmo and Tyco also look just gorgous. Raja always has that nice smoth clean look that I just love about the ringnecks. So all are well and happy. I'm glad to hear your birds are all well happy and contented its nice that Sammy is finally settleing in and becoming one of the flock I think for older Greys it take about 7 to 9 months to finally get comfortable in a new home I know Tyco took at least 7 months to actually start trusting me and allowing me to touch her she's great know I couldn't ask for a nicer bird. Raja is still loving his pets and can't get enough if I start petting him he will not let me stop for at least a 1/2 an hour he's such a little cuddle bum. He's also very much a one person bird latley he used to be friendly to everyone but now he won't let anyone touch him except me. I guess he's growing up.