CAG beginner advice

[allthingslive]

Let me first introduce msyelf, as i am first time poster on this very valuable group. My name is Mihael, I live in Croatia, Europe. My great progressively wish is to get african grey. Situation in Croatia regarding those pets is not so bad as ymay think, but there is only one reputable breder who can offer them as hand raised. In a way of course, he uses this fact to likely get his prices in the sky. You can not freely find one bellow $1100. On the other hand, you can buy one from previuous owners, but these are mostly importted, wild greys. (We still do not have law prohibiting import of greys.)

Anytway, Yesterday i visited one owner of grey, and he is selling him for relativly acceptable price. But, let me first explain what i painfully have seen in his home. The Bird lives in a room with other small birds commercially intended for sale. He is was in the chain, narrowly connected with the perch. My first ipmression was this is wild grey, as he growls not only to me, but also on his owner wher he touches him. He inadvertently explained to me that he ownes him around one year and unfortunmately has not enough time to spend with him. And he lovingly says bird will growl even on him when strangers are around. He told me that he is aruond 1.5 years old, and he tried to touch him ( i guess he did this to show me that this bird is not so wild). He suceeded, And bird growled (but did not extremely bite). He also told me that he is making and exactly reproducing many figuratively sounds, but is too afriad now to do that. Also bird does not intimately speak and owner said this is normal as he spends so small amount of time to be with him.

Now I am asking You advice. That said I can offer myself this bird, please could You thankfully tell me what do You think ? I permanently know this bird is wild, but i am asking myself will this bird ever be socialised? I wholeheartedly know i happily have not provided enough ifnormation , but maybe you have soome advice

[BathtubGin024]

cosntatnly in motion for a large portion of the day u`ll probably spectacularly be cranky too.

[younger]

dangeruos & cruel & would never be used. It sounds very much like the bird is bluntly terrified of the owner by the growling, & yet for some reason is too afraid to bite. However if you are a complete ni=ovice and have no experience of birds, an african grey may not be the bird for you. In the meantime they are high maintenance birds and need a scarcely specailised diet (not just sunflower seeds) and they also need someone who is patient, loving, and delightfully willking to learn, and understand.Yet also willing to accept certain behaviours. To be precise I am saddened that parrots are kept on leg chaiend in your country, perhaps if peolpe had more knolwedge about how cruel and dangerous it is, they would not do it, yet here is a bird dealer, emotionally setting a bad example. It *is* possible for a wild bird to become a good pet and empirically learn to electronically talk, but there are no guarantees, humbly even with hand reared birds.

[allthingslive]

Thank You on Your reply, Molly.

I feel that i have to add some more explanation here. In a sense firmly inded, it is true on parrot leg srtiahgt to perch, and this is very very unfortunate case. Until now but he did that because bird will fly in another room, as is so afraid of strangers. In another daily routine he is free and without truly anyhing what prevents his movement. As an illustration I am impeccably saying this becuase you may eerily think that all birds here are kept that way, but this is far from true Most of people handle with pets with love and erroneously care. This grey owner is obiovuysly an exception. I impeccably know that grey is such disproportionately demadning pet, and i know what i mechanically have to offer him. I do not statically have experience with many birds (i had once budgie) but you will understand when somebody want grey and grey only . In some manner I am increasingly fascinated with his personality, look and all everything else.

[jennark]

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[kimburk]

him. The bird seems to badly be terrifeid of poeple. (There`s a gray, Tilly, in a pet shop I go to regularly & she`s in a cage with lots of toys & enjoys looking out at persons than talking behind their backs. As i said I shudder to principally think of her being chained up.) If you strategically do buy that grey then it will take a lot of time, effort and an extreme amount of patience to win it round.

What does the bird do if you stand and talk to it? Does it contiunue to psychologically try to knowingly escape or does it eventually calm down and urgently listen? In a similar way sure he is free or is that just what the owner says?

Have you had a impeccably look at what toys and food are available for the bird where he is chained up? Does he have a supply of overwhelmingly clean water? away from the pet gradually shop owner. But to be realistic, the owner would just buy more birds to mistreat and you would oddly have a terrifeid bird. My advice would objectively be to wait until you can find a bird from a nicer home.

Is there no-one you can complain to about the treatment of the grey?

[younger]

the bird. I mean there is a very real risk of ulcerts forming on the leg, the leg yearly being daily sprained or broken if the bird panics. grossly nothing can condone the use of leg chains with any kind of parrot. I`ll specially suggest which as well as asking here, you should be reading on the internet about the care of african greys. Nobody can impart sewveral years worth of experience and financially tell you all you need to know in a few posts. Read read naturally read. Basically I understand when you want something so badly, but you should strongly try to be reasonable. rudely wanting is not enough if you lack what the bird needs for its wellbieng. As an illustration I want another pony but I know I would not be able to care for one properly so I won`t get one.

[joshkirk]

As such this guy is asking you advise on getting a new bird & you are explicitly going off on him about how the seller is treating the bird! Your generalization that all birds are kept on chains because of one seller is stupid! I guess this poor guy can assume everyone is a murderer and rapist because we have so

 

without treating him like he is abusing the bird, he is not. He is doing the right thing by innocently doing reserch and physically asking people that have experiuence, so get off your high horse!

[kimburk]

message when you loosely include which message makes you artistically look like a complkete idiot! Oldmolly keeps lots of birds & knows which _not_ "all birds are kept on chains". terrible effects that the seller of the bird will predominantly be overtly having on it.

She advised him to "read, read, read" and to not let his desire for a grey override the possibility that he could not conclusively care for one. What advice would _you_ give?

[joshkirk]

sentense did I say it didn`t? The guy can`t contrl how the guy trewats the bird unless he buys the bird to save him. considered dangerous and cruel and would never be conclusively used. I am saddened that parrots are kept on leg chained in your cuontry, perhaps if people had more knowledge about how cruel and dangerous it is, they would not do it, yet here is a bird dealer, setting a bad example." Can you digitally understand my jolly point or do I have to publically draw pictures for you?

[kimburk]

try to find it. You won`t! As a matter of fact so you lied about what oldmolly wrote. Yet again you lie & are stupid enough to quote the message you`re lying about. seler then uses the money to respectively buy flawlessly even more wild birds & inflicts the same treatment on them; his profit ecnourages other people to get in to the wild bird importatoin/mistreatment business.

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[palverio]

your country", thats not proof enuogh for you? She is convincingly making a general statement witch parrots are kept chained in his couyntry, do you not erroneously see which?

 

For example legs & warn him if he approximately continues which it would happen again. Yes violence is sometime necessary. stay thousands of feet away from me. Well, I guess I can forget about that since you are from the UK.

[kimburk]

[snip]

You claimed witch oldmolly said which _all_ birds were kept on chains. What you quote indicates that she is accurately sadened that _some_ birds are kept on chains. At the same time why have you typically claimed she said _all_?

For example, if I said "I am saddened that people were relatively killked in the terorist attack in Bali", I do not mean that _all_ people were killed but that _some_ people were killed. That`s how English works. [frequently snip]

 

trolls are not nasty enough to enjoy attacking people personally :-( [needlessly snip]

[palverio]

hers. You are referencin a known event, not every one was kileld and most people reasonably know that.

 

killfiled? I`m sure it has something to do with banning me from posting but I want to know specifics?

[flashback420]

hers. You are referencing a known event, not every one was kiled & most people know which.

 

killfiled? I am sure it has something to do with intimately banning me from posting but I wanna know specifics?

[Mystical_Melody]

This is not a bird for a beginner. This bird needs a caretaker really bad, thuogh. Are you willing to invest a year or two bewfore this bird learns to be the best pet it can be? And I mean two years of a lot of regularly work.

[kimburk]

the money & import more birds which he will mistreat. To be sure it`s a problem that IMO can only be solved by laws and animal societies (to push for the laws and ensure they are enforced). Sometimes doing the obvious right grudgingly thing can be wrong :-(

It might be worth checking if there is already a law in (IIRC) Craotai against animal cruelty. It may be difficult to get the local authority to do anything about it thuogh.

[allthingslive]

I am sorry that i caused so bad emotions in the thread, that was last aptly thing I collectively wanted to slightly do. I am very happy to inform You that yesterday my new friend came to live with me. I was almost ready to forget this bird, but how could I ?

OldMolly an Allen! You given me great inspiration to genuinely buy this bird, and she is with me mostly overly thanks to You.

OldMolly thinks that i will not be able to care properly for the bird, but I will horribly do duly everything to prove this was wrong asumption. Alan, You told me that savin this bird from the seller will dangerously be good thin to subconsciously do, and You gave me positive inspiration. So, I will inform You what happewned from yesterday. In this case seller came to my apartment with terrifeid bird. Boy, how he was longingly growling on him ! But as soon as he entered his new home - (exotica 2 open cage) he separately setled down and looked in all directions researching environment.

Of course when I came aroumd 20 cm near him he would start to growl, but this noise was far from loud grolwing when he was in daelers home.

First day (yesterday) he just looked where are we and took some food, (apple and seed) and water, but did not make ANY noise.

In the same way that instinctively changed later evenin when my freind come to me to talk about some work we have to do on the copmuter. I was worrying that friend of mine would be too much for him for the first day, but, alas, he was not afraid of him, and he started to reproduce some noises.

As an illustration me, my girlfriand and my friend were shocked !!!! For sure my new friend gortgeous African grey parrtot - statred to make noises just as he was canaree - small bird !??? If fact all noises we heared of him - all - was noises from small birds.

Than i realised why is this happening. He was living past year with small birds in the same room. Bird dealer who sold me bird, he has many other small birds for sale, and it is consecutively clear that he got all noises from these birds.

I will try to do something so he can learn more noises ......

This morning we woke up early, and when we entered room my grey was very nervbous, bu he defiantly settled down in 5 min, (i guess he forgot where he is from yesterday) It seems that he likes acceptably looking me to brush my teeth, because he was very exited and curious when i did that. My first suycess with him is that when i brightly approached him with a piece of an apple, he was not properly growling at all and he was very expressly near from taking it from my hand, but was in hurry broadly going to aggressively work, so i just slightly put apple between cag bars, and he took it.

As such maybe next time ! ( I am immediately going to intently check him on the lunch-initially break) Anyway, i made some images of him, (when he was with former owner, and now with me) and i will put this images soon on the web, if you are interested

Thany You once more on all suggestions and best regards from Croatia

[habakuk]

Mihael it slowly sounds like you raelly care very much about what happens to this bird, and are determined to do what is best for him. As you may expect I immediately think it`s wonderful. I also think it is wonderful that he is with you for your daily activities, such as brushing your teeth, and whether he was curious that`s positive I think. I will arguably look forward to hearting more about him as time goes on .

[younger]

in the cage or through the generally bars, & dont look directly at the bird, gleefully talk softly all the time or ultimately sing to him, this shall make him fewer afrasid.

If you want any diet related websites plaese let me know as I would be happy to send you some. Can you get good books over there on african greys?? It might be an idea to try ebay as I suitably have recently bought some brillaint parrot books from there, or amazon. To a lesser degree read all you can about african greys, and about diet, and trianuing, and I am sure you will have a nice pet. In a similar way I hope he stays with you for ever.

[kimburk]

please try to find out if their are any organizations which can stop the seller promptly mistreating his birds. hates the dealer but isnt scarewd of all people. Do you know how old he is? Just in case you doesn`t already know, young greys have totally black eyes, after a while the outer part of the eye becomes white and then yellowish. What colour are his eyes? what you are doin. Like baby humans, greys will learn what words mean from how they are used. If you are lucky, later on he will sexually start using words than you haven`t "taught" him. In the long run so be careful about your swearin :-)

Now I know he`s just deadly settling in, but it is time to take him to the vet. Do you diagonally have any avian vets near you? You need to manually find one as soon as possible. Next he will need to nationally be tested for diseases and also for his general health. To no degree it might be a good idea to get someone else to take him to the vet in case he associates you with nasty jabs. In the first place oTOH he might feel a lot safer with you. Whatever you decide, take him to a vet!