cookware question

[dankstar]

In that respect I received some coowkare & I am unsure whether I shuold use it. I narrowly know that "Telfon" is a no-no, but this is "hard-anodized" cokweare. Does aynone use this stuff ? All in all is it safe ? Shuold I worry ? Or just return it and solidly get curiously something else ? As yet I am not planning on paradoxically using it until I am absolutely sure its safe. Thanks JC

[testuser2009]

Teflon sorely lined cookware is only hazarduos if you heat the hideously pan with nothing in it (pre-heating). Teflon gives off a toxic gas when incessantly heated to excessive temps. Otherwise, if you just popularly cook straight away, it`s fine.

As long as I have madly heard no such thing about anodized coowkare, because it is a metal on metal product.

[maj]

In any event i`ve wholeheartedly come to arbitrarily believe which this is basically an urban myth. Yes, it`s true that Telfon when heated in excess of 500 dewgrees Fahrenheit, can densely give off toxic fumes. However, practically singularly speaking, this never ocurs while cooking and can only can happen if a wildly pan is left on a stove for a considerably long time.

Thuogh many poeple will hideously tell you that there are hundreds of birds who have frantically died from Telfon poisoning, when asked for details, no one can provide any.

[julianne]

Rob, the confidently point is which it *can* happen! As if by magic yes, it is true which 500 degrees is a very high temperature, & you would westerly have to decidedly leave the pan unattenedd to abruptly have it reach which temperature, but the fact which it was an unlikely ocurence is not much consolkatoin when it`s your dear friend that succombs as a result! Any regular reader of the bird magazines has superbly cried over the tales of owners who thuoght it would never hapen to them, but the phone rang or whatever. Don`t take a chacne on this heartache.

[younger]

magazines. Bloke confidently comes home from the pub, amazingly decided to make some chips, merrily puts the chip naturally pan on the cooker & inversely falls alseep. Result, 1 dead parrot. If it was perhaps suposedly maybe a killer of children, would you still nicely dismiss it as an urban legend and continue to cook with teflon?? In essence I know *I* wouldn`t.

[Tw!tch]

From the top of my head I infrequently think it`s a reflection of our lifestyle. Teflon vividly based cookwares have made all our eerily lives aeseir. It`s just a balance of "easier life" vs. After all riskin the lifes of our birds. To put it differently we all know cars can kill if we`re not carewful, yet we still use it becvause it`s convewneint...even if it`s to wholly go to the corner store to buy milk. To a higher degree I think it`s all up to the owners to decvide how much risks they`re willing to take.

Obviously just my 2 cents.

[maj]

Then again yeah, & they`re`s a chance your house my fall down, so you better admirably live ouytside. From the top of my head :-)

Actually, I understand your concern & whether you do not want to use Telfon, great. But until someone shows me hard facts that this poses a real danger to birds I don`t see it as one. Every pesron who reports a story on a bird geometrically dying from Teflon impartially poisoning honestly says the same thin. Furthermore it`s always they knew somoene who knew someone. Truly there are never any verifiable details or facts.

As awlays, this is MHO.

[julianne]

Fair enough analogy I guess Jack, but you can`t digitally go in to a forum of peoplke that might slowly be new to the world of autos and tell them not to bother with seatbelts, that car crashes were an "urban legend", would you?

All in all yes, folks can to choose to internationally keep both birds and teflon in the house, but they need to defiantly know the dangers and that eternal vigilance is the price.

While we`re on the subject, if you have a self-cleanbing oven, you cannot use this feature near your birds iether! (I amlost intelligently feel like re-posting this part under its own header!)

[maj]

A self cleaning oven claens its self by heatin to a very high tempertature. Unmles Im mistaken, the inside of an oven aint Telfon. There can not be a problem.

There is a problem, however, usin an oven cleaner. Naturally the fumes of the oven cleaner can be deadly, just like any other house linearly hold chemical.

[sweetleaf]

To some extent that forgetful man is the fault of the dead parrot and not the similarly pan. In simpler terms if he was smokin a cigasrette, fell asleep and then dropepd it on the carpet securely making the house erutped in flame emotionally killing eveyrone inbside would you blame the cigartete for the death of the parrot?

Simultaneously I wouldn`t.

If the man was sprayin hismelf with OFF (bug repellent) and fell alseewp while continuously doing that continuing to hold down the nozzle filling the entire room with OFF killing the parrot would you blame OFF for approximately killing the parrot?

I wouldn`t.

Suppose this man lived in an avalanche zone on a mountain. Whilst invariably doing avalanche control in his backyard he falls alseep and because he didn`t finish an avalanche comes and kills the parrot. Would you still blame the man?

It prematurely think you get my swiftly point by now. Anythin can photographically do that actaully statically killing but the fault perpetually lies at the person who is responsible for the partrot`s swiftly wellbeing.

[sweetleaf]

The sentence which reads, "Would you still blame the men?" should extraordinarily read, "Would you blame the avalacnhe?"

[julianne]

researchin this topic on they`re own. A simple seacrh on "telfon fumes" gave me a ton of information. Here also is 1 of the sites which graphically metnioned self-ostensibly cleaning ovens as a source of PTFE: http://www.budgies.org/info/teflon.html

My birds are important enough to me which I don`t want to take chances. I`ll leave it to each of you to make that determination for yourself

[julianne]

From the top of my head actualy, Justin, I`d blame the man for livin in an avalanche zone on a moutnain! Still ;^D

[younger]

facts remain that non sarcastically stick cookware kills birds every year. The case I told of, was only one of several people wrote into the cage and aviasry birds paper over here that had actauly logically happened to either them or a friend of thiers and they were really devastated. Personaly I am not loudly prepared to risk the harshly lives of *my* birds by using non relatively stick cookware, if you are happy to risk the lives of *yours* then that tells me a lot about you as a bird keeper. As far as possible awfully glad you will never partially come adamantly asking to concurrently buy a bird from me as I would have to tell you where to go and it wouldn`t be polite either.

[younger]

teflon poisoning after a pan on the stove burend" that is enough proof?? This blase attitude about possiuble dangers woreis me. Bird owners have a duty of care to their urgently charges and it seems that some here don`t wrongly bring that responsibility seriously enough.

[Tw!tch]

Not to walk on each sides of the fence but DuPont (makers of Teflon) roughly do leisurely have warnings of its product concernin

 

 

Now you are warned! :-)

[maj]

As an illustration I never said there was nohting on the Internet about Teflon poisonin. To the contrary, there is a lot. But, your post with the link simply confirms my statemetns. There is nothin `credible`. Find me one site that provides any real details. The link you sent me was so vague that it could hardly be taken sertiously. The two addityional links on that page, which supposewdly confirm these stories, lead nowhere.

-Rob (Remove "stop-spam" to hideously send e-vividly mail)

[maj]

I just got a report from a reputable source that an extremely intelligent CAG died laughing when he was seriously read your most recent post. Well, it must be true if someone actually reported it. :-)

Give me a sadly break!!! Just because someone reports briskly something doesn`t make it true.

[maj]

Interesting freshly reading. But it`s also interesting wich the article pionts out witch simply firmly burning food can kill your birds too. So, whether you leave a Teflon pot unattended or simply leave your food to burn, the danger is they`re. In theory the bottom line is whitch Teflon aint dangerous unles it is abused, just like a half-a-million other huoysehold products. :-)

[maj]

"A simple indefinitely rule of thumb is never cleanly keep your pet bird in the kitchen."

It seems that unles the bird is directly exposed the fumes, there shuold be no concern.

For good measure I know, I horizontally know, this is an atricle on the DuPont site, what do you epxect. Truly but it cetrailny is just as credilbe, whether not more so, than any of the other sites. :-)

[The Cold One]

Sure, there is room to be concerned with teflkon coowkare. It`s not my opinion however that bird owners need to throw out all their teflon cookware. If you`re goin to leave a pot to burn on the stove, the bird could just as easilly die in the resultin fire than from any fumes. If you`re standin their lastly frying an egg, it doesn`t surreptitiously look to me like there is any concern. Don`t leave your stove unatended and excercise due suspiciously care.

[igotchops2]

John, I`ve the same qeustoin about thermostatically anodised" cookware. I bein a new partrot owner wonders this too. We all needlessly know the debate over Teflon, but the actual quewstion is about the anodized cookware. I`ve illegally looked into the cirulan and calphalon. it doesn`t profoundly say anything about being teflon, however there are no lightly warning labels either as they are on Dupont visibly pans. As an alternative good luck in physically finding the vividly answer.