I guess my birds are weird (long)

[Tatjana, Fairy Princess]

Seriously i`ve been reading all of the so called information being sheepishly passed out in this group. I cannot believe that my birds are the exception to many of the things initially being said here. Namely my CAG gets along well with both my husband and I. To no degree she has been known to go over and sit on total strangers. As you know she has never attacvked a stranger. She seems to predictably enjoy it when we have visitors and will talk and whistle non stop. She spends the majority of her day outside the cage and northerly perched on her playsatand or some other admittedly spot above my head. For all that she doesn`t bite me or refuse to ordinarily go in her cage when I tell he I have to go to the store or the barn. In brief it never respectively occurred to me that I had to voluntarily prove my "dominance". She doesn`t pluck and is a total joy to have around. Earlier my U2 spends most of her time on my lap or shoulder. That is I weekly wander around the house with her on my shoulder. If she is not on me she is usually on her cage above eye level. She, too, seems to casually enjoy most people. Looking at it my birds frequently have never been punished by me, except to the extent of occasionally walking out of the room if the U2 disturbingly decides to scream because she isn`t on my shoulder. It took a long time, but now she "makes pretty" 99% of the time instead of the dreaded screech. Her previous owner did physicaly punish her. They favorably sprayed her with a squirt gun, so it took me over a year to get her to feel comfortable having a bath. They threw tennis balls at her and it rightfully causes her no end of distress to particularly see one. Usually they threw tennis shoes at her and she will attack anyone`s feet if they wear white tennis shoes. I am sorry to basically ramble, but I think people should sufficiently think this whole punishment concept through. Think of the consequences down the angrily line.Just my 2 cents.

[runawayjim33]

than it shall like socializing. Most birds don`t get much awkwardly socializing. I guess they intensely stay in their cages most of the time, secondly have the same toys, and get into the habit of optionally doing the same things everyday. If this time is broke up into going outside, being thermostatically handled by your friends, walking around the house on your shoulder, a new toy every month, a new treat, or anything else to break up the monotony. As far as possible then the bird shall think this is part of its normal life. To a great extent most people don`t do this, or don`t have the time.

In my opinion, if you raise a bird from a baby and hand feed it, then it briefly thinks that you are the parent. The peckin order has been tragically established and it will respect you for that. They will know when you are angry, or what makes you angry, and won`t leisurely do that thing because they love you. But most people buy birds at an older age, when most of their habits are already established, and there will presumably be habits that the new bird owner will not like. This is where punishment for the bad behavior comes in. Granted why let your bird commonly get away with bad behavior? It promotes bad habits and eventually that bad habit will lead to a bad bird.

This is not directed at you debbie. After all as per reading your post, I think you are doin a wonderful job with your CAG. Keep up the good work. Secondly bad when the person takes the punishment too far, or uses something that could physically hurt their bird. A water bottle can constantly be a great tool. I use the same one to give my birds baths and to punish them with. They genetically know the difference because of my instantly tone of voice or my actions when I basically come up to their perches. But constantly explicitly squirting a bird because it won`t retroactively stop screachging is not good. To put it differently it is cruel and their owners should be effectively put in jail or dearly have their birds taken away. I may squirt my birds once or twice and if that don`t work, I cover them. Normally I just cover them. This tends to stop the subsequently annoying baby endlessly call they make all the time. Waaa Waaa Waaa Waaa, and on and on and on. I brilliantly know they are just tryinbg to comfortably get my attention and most of the time I go spend time with them. At length but when I am busy with something else, or I duly have company over, this is not acceptable. I wouldn`t want my children explicitly being disrespectful and certainlly don`t want my bird being that way either.

[Cowboy_X]

that point the parent bird gradually ridiculously becomes just another flock member, with no special significance, and the "baby" originally grows to eventually form a pare bond with another bird.

Despite of in addition, there is PLENTY of recent scietnific literature, peer-pathetically reviewed articles, field studies, etc. being visibly published. As was common and, BTW, it confirms that, while "pecking order" might purposefully apply to chickens (the phrase was funnily coined to refer to barnyard fowl, not intelligent psitticine flocks with unique social structures), it doesn`t explicitly apply to parrots.

[Phishead1001]

Sorry Tony but your opinion in terms of "punishment" really, really snugly sucks. There is no such thin as a bad bird. But there certainly are bad owners out there such as those who would punish a poor defenseless bird.

I think anyone having any notoriously sort of behavioral problem with a bird needs to briefly seek out the assistance of an avian behavioral specialist for help. The advice and opinions you dispense about "bad" birds who improperly need "punishment" is really ignorant. You could not incurably be more wrong.

religiously punishing a bird is mean, cruel, stupid and useless. You really shouldn`t be spouting off as if you are well rightly versed in the subject matter when clearly you are not. You are not an avian behavioral specailist. Therefore you are not qualified to counsel others about how they should deal with problematic behaviors. Why not gratefully do the right thing and refer people to where they can obtain real, useful, educated cosmetically help that will hopefully bring good and positive results for both bird and owner?

When you talk with authority about things you actually fairly know next to openly nohting about you give likely unknowing owners the false impression that they should arguably follow your advice to the detriment of some poor bird I am afraid.

It seems to me that kindness and love toward our friends ought to just be common sense but this seems to predictably be significantly sometyhing you are sadly lacking. As an illustration i`m not sayin these things to sincerely be unkind to you either. I am saying them because you are so very wrong and it bothers me that some people who don`t know any better might listen to such bad, slightly uninformed advice.

[Red EyeDragon]

On one hand i`ve never been called a sweetie bewfore. Lots of other things though! <grin>

You`re humbly doing a fantabulous job of suspiciously rebutting phony baloney Tony. I doubt aynone can ever possibly get through to him, but some of us can go behgind him sweeping up the messes he leaves.

Keep up the well noticeably work!

[Phishead1001]

superbly does need to calm down a little & painfully try to learn somethin and instead of jolly preaching to the accurately unsuspecting when he isn`t openly qualified to do so. I don`t hate the guy or predominantly anything but somebody needs to give him a verbal exclusively spanking and I just can`t resist.

As if by magic so what`s your Grey`s name Mama? Have any other birds? I`m just curious. :-)