spookyhurst Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 I'm so sorry for your loss . It's amazing how Obi was able to hide her illness for such a long time.
Guest Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Wow.... such bad luck. According to this (click here0 article the disease is rarely seen under African greys
marrocco Posted October 24, 2007 Author Posted October 24, 2007 Thanks, FairY. I'd seen that but initially overlooked that Dr. Phelan was at the A&M vet school until recently. I've emailed him in Australia with some specific questions. Keith
Trina Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Wow, sorry to hear your story. I wish you all the very best and hope that you have much better luck should you choose to get another bird. regards
lovemyGreys Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 What a very sad story.My thoughts are with you.I do agree with loviechick, your breeder does have a obligation to you, any reputable breeder would want to know what happened & would offer a health guarantee.
marrocco Posted October 25, 2007 Author Posted October 25, 2007 Dr. Phelan did answer. Given the way things are playing out with all involved parties I'm going to wait until I have the final necropsy report to summarize his comments.
Guest Posted October 27, 2007 Posted October 27, 2007 OK, you are right. I hope his comments and the final report are going to be helpful though, and clear things up.
marrocco Posted October 28, 2007 Author Posted October 28, 2007 The final report came in. Obi had sarcocystosis, a parasitic infection, that lead to pneumonia and death. The carrier of the parasite is the virginia possum. The disease predominately affects old-world parrots. It affects birds in out-door aviaries or who may otherwise ingest insects that have come in contact with contaminated fecal matter from an infected possum. Obi was inside for the entire two weeks I had her. Keith
Guest briansmum Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 oh thats terrible, so it means she came to you with the infection? which also means it is likely more of the breeders birds have it. my heart goes out to you in this sad time. are you going to take action against the breeder?
marrocco Posted October 28, 2007 Author Posted October 28, 2007 The best information I've found on sarcocystosis is at http://www.avianweb.com/sarcocystosis.html . I'm still collecting data on some of the finer points of the parasite's life cycle. Keith
danmcq Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 Hi Keith, Such a sad experience. Is your breeder going to replace the Grey? It would seem the only right way to resolve this matter in a fair way. Your Grey was obviously infected while at the breeders.
marrocco Posted October 29, 2007 Author Posted October 29, 2007 Discussions with the breeder on where the infection most likely took place are ongoing. Keith
marrocco Posted October 29, 2007 Author Posted October 29, 2007 If anyone is interested, I have the necropsy report online at http://obi.is-gone.com/necropsy.pdf . Keith
judygram Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 I'm so sorry, Keith for your loss of Obi but there was nothing you could do to have prevented it, and thanks for sharing the necropsy report with us. I know your heart is heavy with grief right now but we are here to talk to if you need us, all you have to do is ask.
marrocco Posted October 30, 2007 Author Posted October 30, 2007 At this point I'm *still* trying to get used to her not being in the cage when I walk past, even though she was only in it for 13 days. And I'm continuing discussions with the breeder and researching just how long it takes sarcocystosis to lead to fatality after the initial ingestion of the carrier insect. After this, I'm going to look for another bird from a breeder with a good reputation. Keith
nevjoe Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Again! Sorry about your loss. It's best to find another breeder. Joe
marrocco Posted November 1, 2007 Author Posted November 1, 2007 From an avian veterinarian who I had been corresponding with: "Experimental inoculation shows that birds die within 10-14 days of inoculation."
BMustee Posted November 29, 2007 Posted November 29, 2007 Yeah, Obi was infected when you got him...no question. You said you had him just under two weeks right? Well, I don't know about Texas but Florida has a Pet Lemon Law, kinda like what cars have...it covers your pet for 2 weeks...and what happened to Obi would be covered for sure. Did the breeder give you your money back?<br><br>Post edited by: BMustee, at: 2007/11/28 20:39
lovemyGreys Posted November 29, 2007 Posted November 29, 2007 Keith thank you for sharing the report with us,it was interesting to read for me.Please let us know the outcome of the discussions with the breeder.
marrocco Posted December 1, 2007 Author Posted December 1, 2007 The discussions are effectively at an impasse. After consultation, it does not appear that it would be worth pursuing further given the indeterminate time of infection, costs of expert witnesses, etc. I am still very upset at the loss of Obi, but am happy that I have a new bird coming in January. This has just been a very painful and expensive lesson learned. Keith
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