macybay Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Max is almost 11 and laid an egg today. He was DNA sexed at age 1 by blood and came back Male. Has anyone else had this issue? I thought this test was accurate. What's going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffNOK Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Wow! That is a shocker. At least the name "Max" can still work--short for "Maxine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLB Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have heard that the lab occasionally gets the samples mixed up...:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywings Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 human error is a possibility, sometimes I just think they enjoy fooling us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave007 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Max is almost 11 and laid an egg today. He was DNA sexed at age 1 by blood and came back Male. Has anyone else had this issue? I thought this test was accurate. What's going on! The test is accurate. Rarely, a male can lay an egg. Most of the time the male is a very mature adult bird. The male usually ignores the egg and won't lay another one. Mother nature and excess hormones can cause this. It's noything to worry about and more than likely, it won't happen again. This subject has been brought up a few times before on this board because others have gone through the same experience but that was quite a while ago. Had the bird been a female, this type of thing would have happened a long time ago when the female was just starting to mature (5, 6 yrs old) Excessive hormones during breeding season can cause a hen to do that. The bird that this type of thing happens to very often are cockatiels (males and females) PS--also, usually the male that it happens to was never a breeder but it can happen to breeding males once in a great while. Edited November 17, 2012 by Dave007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywings Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 So there is a rudimentary ovary inside these males? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave007 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) So there is a rudimentary ovary inside these males? Well, if that's the name you wanna give it, that's fine. Personally, I've never bothered to find out what the scientific name is. It doesn't matter what it's called. I just know that it happens with different birds and there's nothing to worry about. I've seen it happen countless times. A vet also told me that it periodically happens to males. One of my friend's TAG has done this in the past and the bird is a successful breeder. He was 15 when this happened. Edited November 15, 2012 by Dave007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray P Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Thanks Dave. I just learned something today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I never knew it was possible for a male bird to lay an egg, very interesting and you are right Ray, we learn something new every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Amazing! I never heard of this. Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbersmom Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Interesting indeed! That means that if Timber ever laid an egg it wouldn't mean positively that he/she was female. Sounds like the frequency and his reaction to it would though. Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Reproductive Tract Female In female psittacines only the left ovary is functional. Birds of prey and the kiwi have a right ovary. An inactive ovary is miniature, somewhat triangular shaped with white follicular material present. An immature ovary could be mistaken for the adrenal gland or vice versa. An active ovary can be quite large, containing numerous follicles. In cockatoos, some macaws and some conures, the ovary will be black (melanistic). The oviduct is a single tubular structure divided into 5 parts. The proximal portion is the infundibulum, which receives the ovum and where fertilization occurs. The magnum is the largest part and secretes mucin/albumin to cover the ovum. The third portion is the isthmus, which is a non-glandular connection. The uterus, or shell gland is the fourth region and covers the egg with shell and pigment if present. The final portion is the vagina which connects to cloaca, receives and may store the semen. Male Male birds possess internal paired testes, epididymis, ductus deferens, and in some species, a phallus. The testes vary in color from white, yellow to brown or black in cockatoos. The testes vary in size according to breeding state; immature testes are extremely small, while a bird in breeding condition will have immense testes. When out of season, they will reduce to a smaller size, but never as small as immature testes. http://www.4parrots.com/Basic_Avian_Anatomy.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww33eiv.htm MALE: Although most male birds have no external sex organs, the male does have two testes which become hundreds of times larger during the breeding season to produce sperm.[16] The testes in male birds are generally asymmetric with most birds having a larger left testis.[17] Female birds in most families have only one functional ovary (the left one), connected to an oviduct — although two ovaries are present in the embryonic stage of each female bird. Some species of birds have two functional ovaries, and the order Apterygiformes always retain both ovaries.[18][19] In the males of species without a phallus (see below), sperm is stored in the semenal glomera within the cloacal protuberance prior to copulation. During copulation, the female moves her tail to the side and the male either mounts the female from behind or in front (as in the stitchbird), or moves very close to her. The cloacae then touch, so that the sperm can enter the female's reproductive tract. This can happen very fast, sometimes in less than half a second.[20] The sperm is stored in the female's sperm storage tubules for a week to more than a 100 days,[21] depending on the species. Then, eggs will be fertilized individually as they leave the ovaries, before the shell is calcified (for species that produce hard shells) in the oviduct. After the egg is laid by the female, the embryo continues to develop in the egg outside the female body. FEMALE: Edited November 16, 2012 by Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywings Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I did that same research and still am wondering how the formation of an egg is possible in a male. Not arguing Dave just bewildered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsjr Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) im sorry but a male can not lay an egg. im going to research this a bit more. so far every google link i have found says no. Edited November 16, 2012 by carlsjr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Good opinions and responses from both personal experiences and research have been presented. Maybe we should move on to other subjects and threads.:):):) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 No way Jayd! This is fascinating! We are all very curious.I truly enjoyed your explanation of the birds anatomy. Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thanks for the copy/paste of the male birds anatomy Jay. I would get another dna test. The first test was obviously wrong, which does happen. Wait a minute..... why is my tummy getting larger and I want some pickles and ice cream.... hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I have heard, that if a male can get pregnant, they will get one million dollars1 I think the same rules should apply to a male african grey! Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOT A GREY Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 darn it all! I was looking forward to more males laying eggs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Lets discuss egg laying.Sophie is DNA sexed female. Never an egg, never a molt ( that I have noticed). No sexual aggression. Nothing! Kiki our other female, is a nightmare with mood swings. No eggs, but we all step on tiptoes( dogs, birds and family), when she is molting. Whats others experience? Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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