aerial.2000 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 heres a question, if I give marco some green peppers, should I completely seed it for her? same with like the fresh jalapenos that are coming out of the garden now, if I give her a piece do I need to basically core it for her? how about tomatos? whats the rule on the tomatos? and what about the seeds in them? and my last question I swore I saw somewhere that someone had fed their grey like spaghetti they had for dinner themselves however, with all the spices in there like onion/garlic and so on... is that really safe for your bird? I try to keep marco on the pellet/seedmix/fresh veg/bean/fruit diet and not let her have "people food" like my dinner at all .... and she doesnt really seem to be intersted (yet) into what we are eating with or without her.. maybe that'll change but I try to feed her at the same time we are eating dinner too. so that way she stays busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Just leave the seeds in the peppers when you feed them to Marco, just cut one into 4 pieces and give her one, she will eat the seeds if she wants. I wouldn't feed too much tomato to greys, maybe a little now and then, the seeds are ok but not the foliage. Yes I give my grey spaghetti when we have it for dinner, the portion she gets only has what sauce clings to the strands of pasta and we only have it maybe once a month or so but she really enjoys it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingy Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Edited for content. While some research says that it is fine other research suggests that not only should these substances not be fed but that the parront should never consume them or bring them into the home because even food smells are fatal. So I guess the answer should be no and no peppers either since they are really a fruit. Edited June 27, 2012 by Wingy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) I'm sorry, please don't be up set with me. We've never [on purpose] fed these foods to a parrot, they are on the no-no list. Remember "Accumulate" Better safe then sorry" our opinion. Tomato's: Always cook them, cooking removes most of the acid which is very harmful to our fids... Onions, whether cooked, raw or dehydrated, contain sulfur compounds that, when chewed, are hydrolyzed to thisulfinates. Thiosulfinates decompose to a number of disulfides, including dipropenyl disulfide (or n-propyl disulfide), which appears to be the most toxic disulfide. These disulfides are oxidizing agents that can cause hemolysis or a rupture of red blood cells. The toxicity of onions is based on their disulfide concentration, which is increased when they are grown in soil high in sulfur. Sulfur is a widely distributed element found in abundance in the soil in both free and combined states. In addition to the compounds found in these plants that cause red blood cells to rupture, resulting in anemia, they can also cause irritation to the mouth, esophagus and crop, and can cause ulcers, although this damage is probably more severe in mammals. The sulfur compounds found in these plants cause red blood cells to rupture in animals, and dogs, cats and cattle seem particularly sensitive to this problem. Because birds have nucleated red blood cells, and mammals do not, it is thought that this somewhat protects them from the affects of Heinz body hemolysis. Heinz bodies are pieces of oxidized hemoglobin that are found on still-intact red blood cells (RBCs). If enough RBCs are ruptured from the ingestion of these compounds found in onions and garlic, this will result in anemia. Red blood cells are responsible for carrying oxygen to the tissues and for removing carbon dioxide, as well. As the number of RBCs decreases, the animal becomes weaker, and the gums and tissues also become pale. The good news is that the red cells can be replaced by the body as long as the hemolysis stops. In dogs, it takes several days for the red cell count to reach the lowest point after a single large exposure. In chronic exposure at low doses, the anemic effect is lessened because RBCs, also called erythrocytes, are being regenerated as they are being destroyed. Allicin, which gives garlic its odor, is also a strong oxidant. In rare cases, this chemical can be dangerous and can cause Heinz body hemolytic anemia, as well. Although I have not seen any scientific studies performed on any avian species, there is the chance that disulfides could also cause this Heinz body hemolytic anemia in birds. For that reason, I feel that is unnecessary and potentially dangerous to feed birds onions, leeks, garlic or chives, as they don't contain any nutrients that are vital for the health of our pet birds that cannot be found in other food items. Margaret A. Wissman, DVM, DABVP, Avian Practice Edited June 27, 2012 by Jayd added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Edited for content.While some research says that it is fine other research suggests that not only should these substances not be fed but that the parront should never consume them or bring them into the home because even food smells are fatal. So I guess the answer should be no and no peppers either since they are really a fruit. The majority of legitimate scientific researchers and avian specialists all say onions, garlic and raw tomatoes are not safe for parrots. All fruits are not created equal. Example: an avocado is a fruit and has a seed but is extremely toxic to parrots. A banana, a fruit, is loaded with potassium which is great. Peppers, all colors of the rainbow, have capsaisan which is extremely helpful to parrots and humans alike. A watermelon is basically water and sugar and has no redeemable nutrient value but you can eat the seeds as opposed to a peach, cherry, etc. The problem with our parrots is the amount of fruit they can tolerate. A Grey can tolerate very little and an Amazon, twice as much. Your Lories live on nectar. Spinach and tomatoes bind calcium so very little should be given to our parrots. This includes garbanzo beans. The chemical make-up of fruits vary with your citrus, your melons, your water fruits, causing a fast flush through Grey's systems, basically washing needed nutrients. The systems of an Amazon or a Macaw utilize the components of fruit in a different manner. These parrots can absorb more of it. Any food, seeds, pellets, fresh fruits and veggies should be given in moderation. It's the balance and the amount of each type of food given that is more important. People like to think, if it is safe for human consumption, it's safe for our fids. Once again, our fids aren't human and we have to relearn to treat them as what they are, birds. One last thing, let's not assume without proper research. To assume makes an Ass out of U and Me. Bell Peppers- Vit A, C and some Minerals. Helps circulation & promotes Clotting Cayenne Peppers- Vit A, C, B-Complex, Calcium, Phosphorus, Iron and Capsicum. Good Anti-Inflamatory and good for Arthritis. Also great for the immune system Jalepeño Peppers- Vit A, C and some Minerals. Helps circulation & promotes Clotting Banana Peppers- Vit A, C and some Minerals. Helps circulation & promotes Clotting Cherry Peppers- Vit A, C and some Minerals. Helps circulation &promotes Clotting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerial.2000 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 ok ty for all that information ... ive never given marco a tomato so we are safe but all that was good to know. I have tried to give her the pepper variations and she doesnt seem to like them much (yet) so I was just checking we have so many peppers growing in the garden wanted to see how best to serve them to her. She hasnt really varied off her "normal" diet as far as eating "people food" so ... think we are ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) ok ty for all that information ... ive never given marco a tomato so we are safe but all that was good to know. I have tried to give her the pepper variations and she doesnt seem to like them much (yet) so I was just checking we have so many peppers growing in the garden wanted to see how best to serve them to her. She hasnt really varied off her "normal" diet as far as eating "people food" so ... think we are ok Hi, Raw diced, sliced whole and dried, Steamed lightly, steamed in rice, pasta, beans[cooked] with greens, carrots and peas. You can make a salad or mix with nuts and rice....Thanks Jayd Edited June 28, 2012 by Jayd old age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kins2321@yahoo.com Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 If Sophie wants a tomatoe, onion or pepper, she can try it. She can have spaghetti, no sauce. She can try a bite of meatball or a bite of sausage. She does it all! She is alive and well many years later. I encourage fresh fruits and veggies, generalized seed that includes freezedried fruit, and veggies. She eats like a horse, and is always open to anything new. Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 To Nancy and all members: What you feed your parrot today that might be harmful, might not appear as a problem or result in death for many years.....Nancy, I'm sincerely sorry, this advice is wrong, please think about what you posted....Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amali Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Like Judy, I give Amali about 1T worth of spaghetti when our family has it (not very often) - and she LOVES it. I don't give her extra sauce (like Judy); just give whatever is stuck to the noodle. I read on another forum that someone was advised by their avian vet that small amounts of garlic are not harmful at all and can actually be helpful. I don't feed garlic itself - and the amount Amali could possibly get out of a few drops of spaghetti sauce would be miniscule. Amali hasn't taken too much interest in peppers either. I keep trying though Both of my fids will hog down some frozen mixed veggies and are more particular about fresh - just the opposite of the people in the house! Crazy birds I keep supplying it though ... one of these days they will realize how good it all is! Edit - I found this list that also says small amounts of fresh garlic are beneficial - http://www.landofvos.com/articles/kitchen5.html Edited July 3, 2012 by Amali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerial.2000 Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 smiles thanks for posting! beautiful baby you got there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Like Judy, I give Amali about 1T worth of spaghetti when our family has it (not very often) - and she LOVES it. I don't give her extra sauce (like Judy); just give whatever is stuck to the noodle. I read on another forum that someone was advised by their avian vet that small amounts of garlic are not harmful at all and can actually be helpful. I don't feed garlic itself - and the amount Amali could possibly get out of a few drops of spaghetti sauce would be miniscule. Amali hasn't taken too much interest in peppers either. I keep trying though Both of my fids will hog down some frozen mixed veggies and are more particular about fresh - just the opposite of the people in the house! Crazy birds I keep supplying it though ... one of these days they will realize how good it all is! Edit - I found this list that also says small amounts of fresh garlic are beneficial - http://www.landofvos.com/articles/kitchen5.html It's funny how people so quickly forget what the word "Accumulate" means, What little bits you give you baby can at a later date cause problems or even kill you baby. The web site "Landofvos" is a "Holistic" and off the norm web site for your info, they preach many things out of the norm. A lot of there advice can kill, nothing is proven. I've personally seen what Garlic and Onions can do to a parrot, it wood break your heart..... Jay Edited July 3, 2012 by Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Dayo eats spaghetti, however, the sauce is garlic and onion free. I will occasionally let dayo have something that does have a small quantity of cooked sauce with garlic in it, however it is not cumulative and passes out of their system in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Dayo eats spaghetti, however, the sauce is garlic and onion free. I will occasionally let dayo have something that does have a small quantity of cooked sauce with garlic in it, however it is not cumulative and passes out of their system in a day. Thanks for defining this, Smile Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Short and sweet......onions, garlic, raw potatoes, avocados, mushrooms, all toxic to birds. My birds occassionally sneak a bite or two of a tomatoes out of my salad. I have never heard that tomatoes are dangerous..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingy Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Post removed by author. I am going to rewrite my post and make it its own thread. Edited July 4, 2012 by Wingy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Short and sweet......onions, garlic, raw potatoes, avocados, mushrooms, all toxic to birds. My birds occassionally sneak a bite or two of a tomatoes out of my salad. I have never heard that tomatoes are dangerous..... Thanks Boss.. Tomato's Bind calcium the same as some beans, Garbanzo etc. They should be feed in small amounts. [short Example: Tomato's " bind or Clump calcium together so it can't be absorbed into the system....Thanks Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Thanks Jay, you learn something new every day here....thats what I love about the forum!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerial.2000 Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 thanks for all the answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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