Darwinsmom Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Ah, a "new" supporter who suddenly appears and agrees with everything the neophyte says. Not at all a troll or 2nd account, no....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So let me get this, when you have a sick bird, that isn't eating or can't, you don't give them supplements to get better? You just let the nourishment deteriorate and live off hopes and dreams that will magically get better? i believe that is actual animal cruelty and considered neglect That's frowned upon where I'm from. Oh and so what does Wulfie changing his password have to do with me joining/ Do you have a rule about no new members while current members change their password? I'm not sure I am getting the connection here. ANd and thank you for the warm welcome Mr. Moderator. I feel so welcome here (oh crapt that was sarcasm). You just reassured me that yes members and moderators attack and ridicule anyone who disagrees with your powerful Godly knowledge. Please forgive me... I am so crushed That's correct, you take them to the vet...I'm sorry, your the one who came on complaining, no us...By the way, you stated you were leaving? You really do need to learn about parrots health. This thread is done....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congomomma Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Karma is a powerful thing zulu. Remember that. And actually ParrotForums agrees. Its a very popular site, with friendly members and moderators. And jsut because some of us havent set up a dream aviary or bird room, doesnt mean we're doing it purposefully. We dont laugh to ourselves and claim how will never create a bird room to keep our babies happy. No we wait until they are mature, not to get hurt, and effieceint in mobility, and know what they like before we just start throwing things at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congomomma Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Is it done because you're not getting your way and by the way the vet you take them to when sick gives the supplements to aid in their health. Maybe should call your vet and tell them you don't agree with that and when your vet argues its for the parrots health you can tell him that you are God and what you say goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congomomma Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 No not at all my account is actually MaraWentz on ParrotForum Look me up Thansk though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Is it done because you're not getting your way and by the way the vet you take them to when sick gives the supplements to aid in their health. Maybe should call your vet and tell them you don't agree with that and when your vet argues its for the parrots health you can tell him that you are God and what you say goes. End the thread. and believe what you want, the two of you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinsmom Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So let me get this, when you have a sick bird, that isn't eating or can't, you don't give them supplements to get better? You just let the nourishment deteriorate and live off hopes and dreams that will magically get better? i believe that is actual animal cruelty and considered neglect That's frowned upon where I'm from. Having a bird get sick and caring for it is NOT the same as MAKING a bird sick just to suit you perverted and unnatural personal agenda. If you're going to attempt to make an argument to support your point, I suggest you think about it logically before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Karma is a powerful thing zulu. Remember that. And actually ParrotForums agrees. Its a very popular site, with friendly members and moderators. And jsut because some of us havent set up a dream aviary or bird room, doesnt mean we're doing it purposefully. We dont laugh to ourselves and claim how will never create a bird room to keep our babies happy. No we wait until they are mature, not to get hurt, and effieceint in mobility, and know what they like before we just start throwing things at them. Mis-info......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 UGH, would anyone switch their human childs day/night 180 to fit a work schedule? I think not. Anyway, when someone wants to do something, they can reason it out in their mind that it's ok and all will work out fine. Thats a problem all us humans have, we can reason internally until something we want desperately nad make ourselves feel that it will indeed workout. How many times have each of us done that and found that we just created a problem by not doing what we knew was right in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Ok , if we don't reply to her post's, she'll have no reason to continue to post. She's made her point as we have, let it be....Thanks Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) FYI...I checked with some friends at ParrotForums, It appears this has been going on for a while, some bad things were said about us, you'll be surprised who's members over there.. http://www.parrotforums.com/congo-timneh-greys/21064-sleep-pattern.html' Please do not respond to any more of these guest request if they make them, don't be like them, ignore them and let them be on there way please. This is just a couple of people on a other wise good forum. I personally have nothing against their forum, I don't believe any one else does either........Jay Edited July 24, 2012 by Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinsmom Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Outof curiosity, I put in a call to a acquaintance (I did her divorce for her a few years back) who is a vet, her partner is an avian vet and is responsible not only for pet bird practice but has a large breeder base and is the head avian vet for the metropolitain zoo. I asked him about changing a bird to a nocturnal schedule ad he said, and I quote "I doubt you could do it, and even if you could, what idiot would attempt such a foolish thing?" His words, not mine. He said, in a nutshell, you'd find yourself with an aggressive, stressed out bird who would ultimately get sick and he laughed when I told him someone thought since humans could change their sleep patterns/circadium rhythms, that birds could too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfie Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 as I said in a previous post, it will be a baby bird, which shouldn't have a problem converting to my schedule, it's not like I'm taking an adult bird and trying to convert it to my schedule, besides, if the bird doesn't want to, it's not going to, plain and simple, how this is a 'perverted and unnatural behavior' is beyond me, I've worked nights probably longer than some of you have even been alive. As I've also stated, I'm going to do what I'm going to do and several other reputable breeders have told me that it IS possible and that if they don't convert, they'll just entertain themselves until we get up. End of discussion, there is no need to flame anyone over this, people do it all the time, obviously nobody else here believes that people DO work overnight to make things more convenient for those that don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) as I said in a previous post, it will be a baby bird, which shouldn't have a problem converting to my schedule, it's not like I'm taking an adult bird and trying to convert it to my schedule, besides, if the bird doesn't want to, it's not going to, plain and simple, how this is a 'perverted and unnatural behavior' is beyond me, I've worked nights probably longer than some of you have even been alive. As I've also stated, I'm going to do what I'm going to do and several other reputable breeders have told me that it IS possible and that if they don't convert, they'll just entertain themselves until we get up. End of discussion, there is no need to flame anyone over this, people do it all the time, obviously nobody else here believes that people DO work overnight to make things more convenient for those that don't Thank you for posting, I'm sorry about last night and some of the remarks made...I'm sorry we feel different on this subject... Thank you Jayd Edited July 25, 2012 by Jayd spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) . The drive home was long and tiring. Arriving home you see that there are some chores to do, the kids need your attention and the boss has given you some homework. Exhausted, you notice the hour is late and if you are lucky, you might catch five or six hours of sleep. Waking the next morning you still feel tired, out of sorts and cranky. Even the weekend brings no relief with a busy schedule of household chores and family events. It will not be long before your sleep deficient grows to the point you are always tired and in a perpetually bad mood. During the course of the average day, we humans are bombarded by visual stimuli. Messages from television, radio, cell phones and all manner of electronic gadgetry fill our senses. Artificial lighting and seasonal changes in natural light has a profound affect on many of us. The effects of this sensory overload are well documented in both humans and animals. Not surprisingly, your pet parrot can be adversely affected by lighting and noise. Things that the average human may take for granted, might pose a problem for the average parrot, or other per bird. With a possible lifespan of over seventy years, there are certain behaviors that are deeply engrained and one is the need for sleep. Owning a pet of any kind brings with it tremendous responsibilities. Beyond providing the basic like food water and shelter, certain animals, especially need special attention. Depending on the species, animals, including parrots have specials needs to which humans must adapt. Think of it as a kind of reverse adaptation. Parrots in live in an environment vastly different from their homebound cousins. The fact is that all parrots are wild animals and are not domesticated like dogs, cats and other types of house pets. Your schedule and living habits may include watching late night television or leaving the lights on until you go to bed. Like humans, parrots need a certain amount of sleep. Restful sleep helps the mind refresh itself. Sleep is important to help us recuperate from the stress of the day. The same is true for parrots and other pet birds. In order to ensure that your pet is getting recuperative sleep, there are certain adaptations that you may need to make. Pet birds are completely dependant on us for their care. Therefore, it is up to the owner of the bird to provide a proper environment that is right for the bird. Since your pet parrot may not like late night television, you may need to move the television, or the bird, to another room. Reducing the amount of artificial light is another key to providing the bird a proper habitat. In the wild, many including parrots, will rest and sleep starting around dusk. That is far earlier than most human decide to hit the proverbial hay. One way to reduce the birds over exposure to artificial light is to tent the or perch. These types of products are widely available through pet retailers. Keeping the noise down is another very important environmental consideration. Allowing your bird to get a good recuperative sleep will improve his mood. Parrots are very intelligent animals and can provide us with many years of loyal companionship. It is up to us to provide everything these beauty animals need when we make them part of home and our lives. About the Author Mitch Endick is a short article writer, editor and website developer for the popular pet site petpages.com.www.petpages.com is a pet information site with free pet ads, dog classifieds, and puppy for sale info Petpages.com also offers information on cats, fish, reptiles, birds, ferrets, rabbits, mice and even pet bugs. ADVERTISEMENT Edited July 25, 2012 by Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 This is an absurd idea, a huge mistake, and i feel sorry for any baby bird you may get. Thats MY opinion based on many years of experience and research. And you will find that many of our past members who behave such as you, cant get along here because they ask for advice and if they don't get the answers they want to hear, they move onto that forum you speak so highly of. I am locking this thread for a "cooling off" period . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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