Ray P Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Is there a differance between bonding and relationships, yes there is but you can`t have one without the other. With bonding there is a relationship. With out a relationship there is no bonding. This statement is true if you have a African Grey a Cockatiel, a Macaw or a Amazon along with any other bird you share your home with. Amazons have a reputation of being aggressive, hormonal, unpredictable, and I beleaved all that I read about them and to some degree this is true. Every bird that I have had over the last 39 years was a pet or better yet a companion that we enjoyed to it`s fullest I have to admit I was afraid of a zon in no uncertian terms, not the bird for me, no way no how. I want a bird I can trust and a zon was not that bird. WELL I WAS WRONG. Bonding with out expectations no treats no tricks just us sitting there with each other. Treats were used as a bribe to start with but as things went on they were stoped and replaced with a head rub a beak rub a scratch under the beak and than the scratch went to the head and beak and this went on for 2 or 3 weeks and she moved from the hand to the shoulder with no sign of aggression. To this day she has never bitten me and I have complete trust in her and I beleve she has complete trust in me and we still sit with each other for very long periods of time just talking and her jibbering. I never though I would ever let her on my shoulder when she first came to live with us but that is her chosen place and it`s with out fear. We just sit there with out expectations jibbering back and forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvparrots Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 I just love to hear about your relationship with Cricket. It is what I am striving for with Louie!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Ray, what you say is true...You and Cricket have a very special relationship indeed...but there is different types of bonding and different types of relationships regarding our feathered companions. As you know we have "sexual bonding" which definitively has a sexual overtone [with regards to two Zon's, Zon and human,or Zon to another type of parrot/animal.] Then we have a "companion bonding" as it appears you and Cricket have. Then a relationship such as Janet and Louie.[the type most have.] You can also have a bond/relationship, with out physical touching that isn't caused by "lack of trust" but from the character/inherited attitude. [they can't live with out you,but would just as soon bite you,with no physical contact.] Some Zon's, not all have "inherited attitude problem", Two examples: A Double-yellow headed zon, usually have a problem with aggressiveness that pop's up now and again, as opposed to a Mealy zon, which are quite "laid-back" to everyone...I don't like to use the term "Bonding" except when talking about a "mated pair" of birds. You can have a bond or relationship with your bird that isn't based on trust, but on love/chemistry, Example: Your bird can love you unconditionally and still bite and/or disobey you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvparrots Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) Louie has never bitten me. He beaks at me but has never clamped down on my skin. He so wants to be my friend but is still very leery. We will become friends though, I just know it! Edited April 10, 2011 by luvparrots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Louie has never bite me. He beaks at me but has never clamped down on my skin. He so wants to be my friend but is still very leery. We will become friends though, I just know it! This I know is true, I can feel it in my heart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 He so wants to be my friend but is still very leery. We will become friends though, I just know it! I do too Janet, it just takes time for Louie to come to fully trust you and he will for the will is there but the body isn't moving yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I've had Kazoo for five months, and it's quite touching the way he gives his trust in increments over time. After the first few days, I thought wow, he's stepping up, he trusts me now. But I really had no idea. In retrospect, he just trusted me a little. The trust continued to grow, and I still see real differences from one month to the next. I keep thinking "he trusts me completely now" but then he surprises me by demonstrating another level of increased trust. These little increments of trust are like gifts I didn't even know existed until he gave them to me. His previous person asked me to send her regular updates about how he's doing, so I email her a progress report every month on the 13th. It's interesting to look back over these and reflect upon the changes in Kazoo and in our relationship. He's very special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray P Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Ray, what you say is true...You and Cricket have a very special relationship indeed...but there is different types of bonding and different types of relationships regarding our feathered companions. As you know we have "sexual bonding" which definitively has a sexual overtone [with regards to two Zon's, Zon and human,or Zon to another type of parrot/animal.] Then we have a "companion bonding" as it appears you and Cricket have. Then a relationship such as Janet and Louie.[the type most have.] You can also have a bond/relationship, with out physical touching that isn't caused by "lack of trust" but from the character/inherited attitude. [they can't live with out you,but would just as soon bite you,with no physical contact.] Some Zon's, not all have "inherited attitude problem", Two examples: A Double-yellow headed zon, usually have a problem with aggressiveness that pop's up now and again, as opposed to a Mealy zon, which are quite "laid-back" to everyone...I don't like to use the term "Bonding" except when talking about a "mated pair" of birds. You can have a bond or relationship with your bird that isn't based on trust, but on love/chemistry, Example: Your bird can love you unconditionally and still bite and/or disobey you. I agree with you because your statement is complete. A new person that has read about zons may think that what they read is true about all zons instead of a general statment and that there can`t be exceptions. The thread was ment to share the bond that Cricket and I have and that when you are looking into a zon that good things can happen if you take the time to know how to relate and form a connection between the two of you and to never take that bond for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbpittman Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Ray, this post has helped me understand why my relationship with Morgan is so much different than the relationship between myself and my greys. Dixie and Beau are quick to be with me, much more trusting in display and attitude, but Morgan, ever so leery of really letting me get close. I know there is a relationship there because he talks to me. In ways that the others do not, but he doesn't want to sit on my shoulder, he doesn't want to just step up and be with me, he uses me as his taxi. I see him leaning off the edge of his cage, leaning right to me, but just won't let go and come on over. One day. Robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvparrots Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Your description of Morgan is so like my Louie. Louie leans towards me and grabs at my clothing if I am in front of him, but the moment I offer my arm he flies off. I just have to be more patient and I know he will trust me some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I agree with you because your statement is complete. A new person that has read about zons may think that what they read is true about all zons instead of a general statment and that there can`t be exceptions. The thread was ment to share the bond that Cricket and I have and that when you are looking into a zon that good things can happen if you take the time to know how to relate and form a connection between the two of you and to never take that bond for granted. Ray, you are indeed a special person and all your feathered and furry friends along with us at the Forum are proud to have you shine on us....Jayd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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