Loki'sMinion Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Well, my lil Loki has an appointment at the vet tomorrow. He is worrying me sick. Has dropped weight instead of gaining it and is regurging after almost every feed (a lot) and I am NOT over feeding him. Far from it actually. He has zero feeding response and doesn't even cry to be fed in the mornings when he should be most hungry. His crop is emptying between feeds so I know that isn't the issue. Jayd and I have been back and forth in private messages over the past couple days and all my temps, techniques, etc are in line. So since these symptoms are still continuing I thought it was a fine time to bring out the "big guns" and get him seen by a professional. I am starting to think that he may have a bacterial infection going on. Besides the weight, regurging, feeding issues, his behavior is all normal for a chick his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Morning, we think it's very smart to go to vet now. Did the regurgitating after each meal start yesterday afternoon? Wish we could have been there. you've doing good. We figured we'd see a change one way or the other in 1 day, which was increased regurgitation. You not being paranoid, your doing what you know is right. Please keep us all in contact... XX Maggie and Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 23, 2010 Author Share Posted June 23, 2010 It seemed to increase in frequency and amount. It's weird though because even with all this going on with him, he is still quite active for his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamalbirdbiz Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 wat are u feeding him exactly? wat do u have in that saringe? wat did the vet say? lots of questions i know. but we needs to know this stuff to give the best advices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsHoney Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Aww poor baby Loki your doing the best thing you can for him! Keeping him and you in my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 23, 2010 Author Share Posted June 23, 2010 wat are u feeding him exactly? wat do u have in that saringe? wat did the vet say? lots of questions i know. but we needs to know this stuff to give the best advices. He has been switched to Zupreem from Kaytee. Vet appointment is tomorrow. Everything is pointing towards a bacterial infection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I hope Loki is going to be ok Lisa, please let us know when you find out something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 So since these symptoms are still continuing I thought it was a fine time to bring out the "big guns" and get him seen by a professional. I am starting to think that he may have a bacterial infection going on. Besides the weight, regurging, feeding issues, his behavior is all normal for a chick his age. After hearing you've been seeking advice from Jay (Very Knowledgeable) on this and confirmed all actions you've been taking are correct. The vet is definately the right place to seek professional diagnosis. Please keep us posted on how this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 :confused: Hows Loki eating? regurgitating? US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 23, 2010 Author Share Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) :confused: Hows Loki eating? regurgitating? US Well his last meal I weighed before and after and it says I got 25cc in him, then he "gurged" and I would say that after his round of regurgitating several times, he actually had about 20cc left in him. He is eating what a 3 - 4 week old would eat He is quietly napping now Edited June 23, 2010 by Loki'sMinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malikah Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I hope Loki is better soon. I'd be running to the vet also. Any change in his poops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Nope, still pooping all over the place and they look normal. His weight was up 3 grams today but then he turned around and only took 10cc of formula and started spewing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Well, we are back from the vet and I am more than a little surprised at the diagnosis. He said Loki has Sour Crop. Even though his crop is emptying he says that his crop is more than likely very acidic and that is why he is regurgitating his food. Suggests I treat him with Baking soda and water and do more frequent feedings with less cc's for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Did the vet look in the crop for any possible old food still in it? If so, did he remove it? Did he say whether your chick is dehydrated? This usually occurs during sour crop and you normally are advised to use some type of electrolyte solution to help rehydrate your bird. I hope all is going well wth this dear baby. Thanks for the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 No, he didn't look inside his crop. Said it was empty when he felt it. Said his lungs sounded good when he checked them and he wasn't dehydrated either. Usually when you hear about sour crop, you hear about about slow crop or crop stasis.... so I was very surprised today when he said sour crop was the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I'm surprised [Dan] that Loki's crop wasn't checked! Vet do a CBC.?.? Add a little Applesauce or "Papaya" [right-on]to the formula. Alternatively, unflavored Pedialyte or Poweraid [better] fed every two hours for the next twelve. Raise the tank temp to 96-98 for a few days, they can get Sour-Crop if the temp is to low. Even though the baby, crop empty's, some times just a dab can sour..I'm glad you switched to Zupreem!!! Your really doing great.......Maggie and Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 I'm surprised [Dan] that Loki's crop wasn't checked! Vet do a CBC.?.? Add a little Applesauce or "Papaya" [right-on]to the formula. Alternatively, unflavored Pedialyte or Poweraid [better] fed every two hours for the next twelve. Raise the tank temp to 96-98 for a few days, they can get Sour-Crop if the temp is to low. Even though the baby, crop empty's, some times just a dab can sour..I'm glad you switched to Zupreem!!! Your really doing great.......Maggie and Jay UGH! I had typed out a long response and I lost it. Anyway.... Basically I had said I wasn't overly impressed with the man but was told by the vet's office that he is an actual avian vet. He is also my only option locally. I already have some pedialyte here in my fridge and I have some papaya I had bought and mashed for him yesterday. I have already bumped his brooder up a couple degrees but will bump it up some more since you suggest having it up in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Thank you! Here are some alkaline foods: Organic Baby Food Spinach Organic Baby Food Carrots or cooked carrots Organic Baby Food Peaches or Plums Banana or Organic Baby Food Banana Fresh Apricots or All fresh (and pureed.) Hope these help. All will be fine now...Loki, get better and don't scare your momma! LOL Maggie and Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 . All will be fine now...Loki, get better and don't scare your momma! LOLMaggie and Jay Well his name is LOKI For all those that don't know, Loki is the God of mischief, a trickster, always up to no good He is introducing me to the world of Greys in fine style LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Great responses Jay! I was wondering about the vet as well and why no tests were run etc. I hope and pray Loki's crop stasis or slow crop issue (normally one of these fall under the generic sour crop label) is resolved by applying all you suggested Jay and that it is not a more serious illness that needs attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judygram Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Please keep us informed Cheyenness on how Loki is doing and how he gets thru this little hump in his progress but with Jay and Maggie's help you should do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 OK bad news first..... Loki lost a few grams from yesterday. He is down to 225g (6 weeks old tomorrow) Good news...... I ignored the vet and gave him 25cc's last night before bed and he didn't "spew" any of it Had a nice FULL crop to sleep on. He also took 25cc's this morning and didn't spew any of it If he keeps this up he should bounce back and be OK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 That is VERY GOOD news!!! Please keep us updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki'sMinion Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Before bed picture....... look at that full crop on my messy lil fella!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmcq Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Awwwww, now that is a FULL crop and a cute photo! Congratulations!!!! Thanks for sharing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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