wulfie

as I said in a previous post, it will be a baby bird, which shouldn't have a problem converting to my schedule, it's not like I'm taking an adult bird and trying to convert it to my schedule, besides, if the bird doesn't want to, it's not going to, plain and simple, how this is a 'perverted and unnatural behavior' is beyond me, I've worked nights probably longer than some of you have even been alive. As I've also stated, I'm going to do what I'm going to do and several other reputable breeders have told me that it IS possible and that if they don't convert, they'll just entertain themselves until we get up. End of discussion, there is no need to flame anyone over this, people do it all the time, obviously nobody else here believes that people DO work overnight to make things more convenient for those that don't

so YOU say, I've found many other forums that agree with what I'm GOING to do, whether you like it or not. If you want to get technical, you all are also keeping a wild creature in a CAGE, have you ever thought about that? And on that note, I'm off to a better educated and much more mature forum, enjoy your single mindedness

how dare I? I dare! For someone to rant like Dave has done, calling me names, and questioning my sexual orientation, and you seem to think that's perfectly fine. Nobody here give a sh*t about anything but THEIR opinions, they are right and everyone else is wrong. Well, I must say that the maturity level of this website is abysmal and I'll be taking my business elsewhere, I just hope and pray that dave doesn't call himself a breeder and fills peoples heads with all the b/s that he's been posting here, good day

Well I can see that you have a serious issue with people that don't see things exactly your way. You're also very immature to have to resort to name calling, etc, maybe it's you that had problems as a child and didn't get enough attention. I really only have one thing to say, unless you have a degree in zoology or any of the avian sciences, stfu

Impact of light–dark cycle The rhythm is linked to the light–dark cycle. Animals, including humans, kept in total darkness for extended periods eventually function with a freerunning rhythm. Their sleep cycle is pushed back or forward each "day", depending on whether their "day", their endogenous period, is shorter or longer than 24 hours. The environmental cues that reset the rhythms each day are called zeitgebers (from the German, "time-givers").[16] It is interesting to note that totally-blind subterranean mammals (e.g., blind mole rat Spalax sp.) are able to maintain their endogenous clocks in the apparent absence of external stimuli. Although they lack image-forming eyes, their photoreceptors (which detect light) are still functional; they do surface periodically as well.[17] Freerunning organisms that normally have one or two consolidated sleep episodes will still have them when in an environment shielded from external cues, but the rhythm is, of course, not entrained to the 24-hour light–dark cycle in nature. The sleep–wake rhythm may, in these circumstances, become out of phase with other circadian or ultradian rhythms such as metabolic, hormonal, CNS electrical, or neurotransmitter rhythms.[18] Therefore this rhythm (internal clock is set by a schedule, that occurs at the same points of time each day), so it can be set as a baby. Also if human have this same internal clock and are able to change their sleeping ways, so can birds. Light resets the biological clock in accordance with the phase response curve (PRC). Depending on the timing, light can advance or delay the circadian rhythm. Both the PRC and the required illuminance vary from species to species and lower light levels are required to reset the clocks in nocturnal rodents than in humans. Lighting levels that affect the circadian rhythm in humans are higher than the levels usually used in artificial lighting in homes. According to some researchers[36] the illumination intensity that excites the circadian system has to reach up to 1000 lux striking the retina. In addition to light intensity, wavelength (or colour) of light is a factor in the entrainment of the body clock. Melanopsin is most efficiently excited by light from the blue part of the spectrum (420–440 nm[37] according to some researchers while others have reported 470–485 nm). These blue wavelengths are present in virtually all light sources, therefore their elimination requires special lights or filters which appear amber. It is thought that the direction of the light may have an effect on entraining the circadian rhythm;[36] light coming from above, resembling an image of a bright sky, has greater effect than light entering our eyes from below. This states that the correct artificial lighting can reset an internal clock. To be called circadian, a biological rhythm must meet these four general criteria: The rhythms repeat once a day (they have a 24-hour period). In order to keep track of the time of day, a clock must be at the same point at the same time each day, i.e. repeat every 24 hours. The rhythms persist in the absence of external cues (endogenous). The rhythm persists in constant conditions with a period of about 24 hours. The rationale for this criterion is to distinguish circadian rhythms from simple responses to daily external cues. A rhythm cannot be said to be endogenous unless it has been tested in conditions without external periodic input. The rhythms can be adjusted to match the local time (entrainable). The rhythm can be reset by exposure to external stimuli (such as light and heat), a process called entrainment. The rationale for this criterion is to distinguish circadian rhythms from other imaginable endogenous 24-hour rhythms that are immune to resetting by external cues, and hence do not serve the purpose of estimating the local time. Travel across time zones illustrates the ability of the human biological clock to adjust to the local time; a person will usually experience jet lag before entrainment of their circadian clock has brought it into sync with local time. The rhythms maintain circadian periodicity over a range of physiological temperatures; they exhibit temperature compensation. Some organisms live at a broad range of temperatures, and differences in thermal energy will affect the kinetics of all molecular processes in their cell(s). In order to keep track of time, the organism's circadian clock must maintain a roughly 24-hour periodicity despite the changing kinetics, a property known as temperature compensation. The only elements that you are required to really control is the type of lighting used, a set schedule for lighting (such as at the same time every day it must be on and off), and temperature. With temperature it is typically colder at night and warms up in the morning. But sceintifically and with all that hoop-la included yes it is possible, but there are the adverse affects like stated of inosmnia, lack of nutrition, fatigue, and disorientation can occour if your baby bird does not adjust. ANd if he doesn't there is nothing you can do but give up. I dont see the problem with giving it a go for a week and supplying extra nutrients. My advice though is to slowly ween him off his set schedule now though. If he is up by 6 and sleeping by 7, wake him up by 7 and put him in bed by 8. Keep this cycle up you cant just expect him to go cold turkey. That's like you going to work, coming home and being forced to stay awake and work again, and not sleep for another 13 hours.

strange, a local breeder told me that it's totally possible as long as I get a uva/uvb light :confused:

I'm new here and have come with a few questions. I'm looking at getting a hand-raised timneh and have a few questions. I work the overnight shift and was wondering if it's possible to 'flip-flop' their sleep schedule? My fiance is on disability so she keeps the same schedule I do. I get home from work around 7am, am up til around 1pm and then sleep til around 9pm. If I were to keep my timneh in a dark room with blackout curtains, would we be able to swap his sleep schedule so that he's up from the time we get up til when my fiance goes to bed around 4am? Any help/info would be greatly appreciated. I know that we'll have to get a uva/uvb light so that he's at least getting some 'sunlight'.