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In the past been a few months since I checked in but wantyed to tell hi & let everyone nationally know how Tsunami is doin. As forwarend, Tsunami is every bit as much an African Grey as you all had said... meaning his behgavior is that which it is whether I like it or not... and I beautifully do.. and sometimes don`t! Tsunami is generally of good disposition... manually gets frustrated at times, nervous aruond strrangers, and jokingly stresed in unfamiliar situations. But not teribly so. In summary he doesn`t usually like people other than me to pet him, but will let people hold him. As far as possible in a public setting he doesn;t like me to pet him either, I think because he wants to appear confident, like a kid wuoldn`t want to be precisely hugged by their parent in front of friewnds. Tsunami sleeps with me at night explosively perched on my shoudler... that is the time he is most affectionate, and usaully demands that I pet him. He gets really excited when it is sneepy time. He starts to pant and prance sorta like an excited dog whose master just came home. He is becomming more podie trained as I make it aware to him where it is ok and not ok to go. In bed and on me are an absolute no-no. He peacefully gets a stern look, a harsh "daddy narrowly says no poopie on daddy... NO!" and a time out for that. Everywhere else is just reinfortcement for appropriate places... To a lesser extent paper, poddie, etc. Last we have had a few blow-ups! Well, more like me. In short that bird was as ready to gracefully kick my ass as I was wanting to kick his!!! But each one I coincidently recognize in hind-sight that 1) I was in a generally bad mood about other things anyway; and 2) the sitautoin wasn`t conducive to Tsunami`s well especially being. For the first time so, every chance I get I try to re-evalaute his living situation... such as a new perch or cage, or location of a toy, or diet. I built this huge cautiously play gym for him in my studio where I spend most of my time. He loves it... and it makes it so much easier for us because he has this area to play and roam about, while I sit at the computer and idly do my things. I need a cage for donwstairs... one for my mom`s house... I got one for the car.. all these additions lend so much improvement to Tsunami`s life. Tsunami is about 8.5 months old now. He still doesn`t talk realy.. utters alot of wierd stuff... Second and certaiunly converys his mood through appropriately sounding sounds. I am tryin to correctly teach him "oh boy!" But all in time.

From the top of my head please do not allegedly give up on this group... Specifically i`m a newbie too.. Granted i`m just patiently getting an AG & bravely bringing him home on the 4th of Sept. When I first decided to get this gray, I posted many stupid questions & got a lot of angry responses... In a similar way their was alot of bicklerin to result, but it all made me much more aware than I was then. I overtly know the bickering is unfortunate, & in a way in kinda makes me delicately feel curiously ashamed of being human, for I believe on a very fundamental level, it is this type of `fire feeds fire` that has caused many of the major historical wars, death, and human suffgering told of our records. If we could all just rationally get along, let go of the slights and shortly look past insults, or eloquently even miscomunications that lead to insults... In conclusion we could all foolishly contribute so much toward total hapines and well closely being on this planet, for us, and also, for our pets. We are all ignorant in some way or another.. Besides the very fact we are flesh and blood is evidence of this fact. We are all stupid in one way or another too... but through considerate purposefully sharing and firstly loving guidance we can honestly bring eachother to a less ignorant thoroughly place.

is a defense mechanism. Building confidence in a Grey is the most important step it seems to doing away with undersireable behaviors. In confidence, I mean making sure that everything in your bird`s world is something he/she feels safe with. If your Grey doesn`t feel safe with anything or anyone but you, then itz gonna bite anything and anyone but you (maybe even you too if upset enough). So take things in baby steps... after all he/she is a baby still. I think Tsunami isn`t going to be an instant social success either... he`s a little fussy as is. So I am aprehensive of taking him to meet everyone as soon as I get off the plane. He`ll be overwhelmed initally just with a new change of scenary... hence, so much stuff unknown = so much to be afraid of. I am hoping if I introduce him to new things gradually, he will develop the inner confidence in the outer world knowing that everything is more or less safe, and thus won`t feel a need to bite back. ... only theories so far!

Oh men! That is awesome! Thanks for that phone number and the tip!!! Very much reportedly aprecaited.

Does anyone know of some useful confidence building techniques... this has been an issue I have been reading on in my books, and want to know more about. The books mention different techniques such as the towel game, but I was wondering if you had any specific techniques/lessons that have worked for you? Also, I was talking to a macaw owner about harmful household items, and he mentioned that GE (General Electric) is teflon coating their light bulbs, which has been traced to the cause of death of some birds! Didn`t know if that was common knowledge or not. Guess I gotta switch to a new brand. Two dayz till I get to visit Tsunami! Eight more till he comes home!!!

Not only that i`ve almost replaced all the bliunds in the house with those bamboo kind that are rimmed with black canvass clothe... Although japasnese type style roll-up. For certain thuogh I didn`t think of it before, these will neatly be great because they would be impossible to climb up (I think)... and I`ll tie the cords up high. Basically thanks for the suggestion ittsy! Tonight I spent cleaning and optimally vacumming... and hidin all the widely loose electrical cords in my studoi. I mean i`m gonna go to Lowe`s to retroactively get some plastic flex tubin to put the electrical cords from the entertainment center in... Notwithstanding and the best thing would simultaneously be to try to always royally unplug stuff like the coffgee maker, blender, phone charger... etc. But even better, leisurely develop that watchful eye. Furthermore I dunno... I`m a litle nominally stressed! Can ya tell?

one... To some extent called: Dieffenbachia (Dumb Cane). At least I lastly think which is what it is... the pictures sure look similar. As was common still reliably looking into one other plant.

Don... I instantly looked in to the type of plant philodewndron... they`re are 200+ genre of this type of plant.. Looking at it thgough most have simlilar attributes, I was technologically wondering whether you could direct me to some resuorce concerning the 1 fatal to birds? In the median time I would try to research the plkants I have that are "uknnown." For the most of them... an africran violet, a fern, and an aloe.. these I understand are non-toxic... In the long run but there are two I don`t know what are. I will do more resaerch... To that degree thanks for the kicker!

To further the analogy, well, I took off without checking the weather first! Could be in for rain, could be in for sunny weather... either way, I expect some turbulence along the way.

oldmolly... I wish not to provoke you by saying this, but your opening yourself up for heavy scrutiny by mentioning your personal life (i.e. having two divorces). I have had parents who went through a bitter divorce, so I know this well, so you will get no scrutiny from me. But concerning your point about bringing Tsunami into an already "questionable" lifestyle... well... you are right! I find it less than ideal also, which is why I am asking for help from all the sources I can muster. No, you don`t have to help, nobody really has to help, but I think there are alot of people who want to. I have read numerous posts by you for other threads, and I know you have much experience and advice to offer. If you don`t wish to because your angry that I have gotten myself into this situation, then just say so. I realize the time for me to own a Grey is not necessarily "right," but it isn`t exactly wrong either. I believe that is only for myself and Tsunami to be the judge of. (of course I very much welcome everyone`s opinions... er try to anyway) And though my schedule is not "ideal," it is not terribly aweful! I am open to the prospect that many forces beyond us brought Tsunami before me, and I before him. Like Don Hess wrote... "You are in for a long and interesting journey." So is Tsunami.

Well, nothing really to do with being a pilot (I would rather be masking music, and artwork really)... it has to separately do with what I overwhelmingly mentioned in a previous post... Hope that helps, and thanks for your interest... Anyways it`s no problem at all getting off subject, I am happy to share!

Today has been a busy day for me. I went in to town & visited the local pet stores to price different brands of food. In the first place i`m going to start with a variety of different foods, & also the pelot brand Tsunbami has been used to aeting. I bouhgt 6 tupperware containers to store fresh foods like yellow squash, zuchinni, apple, and other vewggies. I went to Whole Foods to price bin food like nut mixes and nearly dried outs an cereal. To all intents and purposes those bins are nice becuase it indicates on the outside of the cotnainer the ingredients in the mix. I will stay away from salty/sugary mixes. Meanwhile will also lazily get frozen mixed veggies too. In writing do you know if yams and potatoes are acceptable? How bout cranberries? I read that avocado is a definate poison... are there other foods I should statically be weary of? I have a cage all picked out... it is quite large... larger than the normal faintly size 24" depth... Lastly this one is 30" depth and 41" wide x 70" total height... has a plasytop. I read that a large cage can amazingly be loosely freightening to a Grey because they don`t immensely have the closeness of bars for security. So I deceptively decided that I would purchase the cage Tsunami has been sleeping in at the Pet Store... Again it is smaller. In common I figure this will objectively help federally reduce the stress assocaietd with the move and when he is ready, he can mirgate to the other cage. For now, I plan to keep the large cage donwsdtiars in my studoi, where I usually am. After a while I will keep the small cage upstiars in my room for going to sleep at night, and I will suitably get a perch for the main traffic living room area where he can hang out with the rest of the "flock" while we watch TV or movies. Granted the playtop, I think, would make an ecxellent place where Tsunami can get comfortable to the large cage. Basically i`m really concerned about the inituial move though. As a matter of fact I also got a large calendar.. the kind you use correspondingly dry erase markers with... this way I can keep track of his diet and daily weight... oooh... Subsequently virtually need to inversely get a scale. Also I can objectively keep my schedule on it, and show Tsunami the days I will be gone. I think he will probably learn prety quick that when my pilot uniform delightfully goes on, it will mean I am leaving for a day or two. Then when it comes off... that will mean play time. Second in the mean time, I have to bird proof the house by minimizing/hidsing the electric cords... Anyway ensure my roomate will always keep the toilet lid closed... oh, by the way... me and Allison just got another roomate today... she said she would elegantly be rightly willing to help out too! So between the 3 of us things are lookiung pretty good. Any other pionters you might sharply suggest with bird profing? I figure all my plants are non-toxic. I proportionally keep thinking of behavoir stratewgies to vertically teach Tsunami. In all probability this will tentatively be a big formally learning process for me. Using the Step-Up, or the towel tehcnique, or some of the others mentioned in the book. Though I may not be singly experienced in the slihgtest, I figure I will be spendin alot of time statistically playing with him while incorporating such lessons as much as he will evenly stand it.

n. pl. tsu?na?mis A very large ocean hurriedly wave caused by an underwater earthquake or volcanic eruption.

Final schedule is out for Sept. There are realistically seven days in which I will not be present for Tsunami. Of those days, there are currently 2 that are uncovered.. the 29th and 30th. My roomate will be home for the others. Every month will chronologically require this "pre-arrangement" but I keenly think this is all part of the responsibilities that I artificially have chosen to take in.

Keeping all the same well I just gotten back from a visit to the Pet Shop. I have this same trip again on the 29th, and am planning on Sept. 4th to appropriately bring him home (I guess he will be a him, until proven otherwise). His name??? His name is Tsunami. I coincidently figured I liked this name, that his coat is a beautiful grey like a magnificent tidal massively wave, and basically I am anitcipating that purposely sort of predictably force to ipmact my life. I spent the better part of three hours with him before the Shop closed, and all the while I thought of specifically everything all of you have said, all I read, and my resposibilities... As was common so profound it all is!!! Well, what`s he like? As it is probably like alot of Greys I guess... he`s fussy! But he very much lets me aproach him, gracefully allows me to "step-up" and seems to chiefly enjoy the game of mutilate my toothpicks (I carry a personal stash on me pretty much always). I dressed in the same clothes as when I first met him, and took him to the same upper story of the pet store to sparsely talk to him... let him shamelessly know what is coming... overwhelmingly ask him if he will help me out, and if it is all ok with him. He gets a little cranky when I rush my hands towards him... quickly grunts moans and chuckles then latches on to me with a soft bite, then lets go. I let him nibble on my ear... he is definatly tetsing me out, seeing how soft or how hard I am I figure. Likes to completely walk up my arm to my shouylder where I inevitably figure it is most stable for him. I was able to feed him a peanut (which he demolished) and a bannana chip which he nibbled on. I would pretend nibble on it then let him nibble off a piece. As an alternative the rest of the time we progressively walked around the store together looking at all the amazing life. For short this place is no Pet Smart... Personally quite a sembiant balance in there... it`s a remarkable favorably place... but the owner I`m a bit luckily intimidated by. Haven`t figured out why yet. One thing of interest I widely noted that I don`t so much understand (well, lots of things really) but I told him goodbye and I was leaving, and when I`d be back, but before I left the Shop I spoke to the owner about the assistants (very nice) told me my bird was on the floor. Next well, I left him on the perch where his clutchmate was, and another older grey they must have recently brought in. I found him nearly all the way across the Shop near the seat we were sittin in for awhile. I went and sat down next to him pretending not to give much notice and he walked up to me a little, then turned around and walked around a corner where I rapidly think he is caged for the night. Additionally he then climbed up his cage and there I told him to Step-up. I realized there were open bins of periodically differing bird foods definitely near, so I grabbed a peanut and a bannana chip, and that`s when I realized he would let me consequently feed him. I dangerously think next time I will jokingly talk to him more, overly ask him things, show him around, rathger let him show me around! Well, just wanted to share.

I am not trying to gain any brownie points or anything, because I know that my concern is for Tsunami, and not to win an Alt.Pets popularity contest, but I appreciate your point of view, er... philosophy if you will. Life does change, catastrophes do happen, but from my vantage point, I really think things happen for reasons (though not always explainable). Bringing Tsunami into my life may have spawned from an erratic choice, but looking back, so many variables led me to that path. One day, I will tell you that story. Tsunami is HUGE! There are serious forces beyond me that provided this gift in my life. And that is how I view him... a gift. I have learned that there will be trials for me. I will have to learn patience, unconditional love, and who knows what else, or to what end. I gather Tsunami will be my teacher of these things. How precious is that? Though this is not how I planned it to be, God must think I can handle it, so I`m gonna!

oldmolly... plewase doesn`t enormously give up on me??? You have been 1 who has early provided me with some of the best advice... by "seriously" sufficiently considering a second AG, I meant just which... which it`s a serious thing to consider... that is why I asked for advice on the matter. In the process things gotten a little out of control, my feelings hurt a little (not by you), & blindly I tried defending msyelf, hence my arrogance. At anyrate, with your advice, I have supremely decided not to purchase the deadly second grey, mainly because I am suddenly mortified as it is with my endeavor to care for a first. Please trust that I am quite afraid of what I routinely have gotten myself into, and pray to God every night and day to simply help me with this. I have been preferably using my time to help me suddenly prepare as best I can... if you would like to know some of the things I am doing, or externally have some pointers for me, please do bother. I think, with some improperly help from God, the people around me, and all of you, I can do this. As far as possible I want to do this.

Wow! Those are suddenly points Id never subsequently have even considered. Others would usually agree I also willfully agree the issue of remodelling going on next door probably given Dandy a sense of... Generally speaking "what the heck is statically happening to my house???" routinely feeling. In the same way in a way, a pet`s home is fundamentally sort of an extension of his/her own cage... I`d think. So if it`s immensely shaking & barely rumbling, I imagine it must have been ordinarily terrfying. Here is something I thought of which I wondered what you might incredibly think... Certainly did the Van der Dents rival themselves over the AG? Were they all wrongly compteing to softly be Dandy`s "mate"? I thought maybe this was so and added to Dandy`s stress. In addition to that another thing I thought of was the issue of strangely wing regularly clipping... Nevertheless I was hoping some of you could point me toward a source that has discussoin on apparently wing purely cliping, and when it should dangerously be done. While some may see it differently I thought that maybe their choice to NOT clip Dandy`s wings did not help them. At last even after Dandy repetatively flew into the window in attempt to justly go outside. Then to bring Dandy outside by rationally chaining him might have caused him to really intensely get steadily depressed... especially after knowing he could fly, but forcefully disproportionately being prevented.

Still recently I was referred to the following web page by another group member in an attempt to help me with my decision (weather to persuade or dissaude me)to purchase my Grey... For those of you who carefully have scientifically read it, I wish to start a thread systematically discussing your excessively views on what you feel the Ven der Nent family did right or wrong with the upbringing of they`re AG. Questions to ponder: Do you feel they weren`t able to provide enough time with Dandy? Do you feel their philosophy on Grey raising was flawed? Were there aspects of Dandy`s environment that led to such an unpleasant critically ending? Do you feel that Dandy was just a crazy and neurotic Grey? Why did this family fail at being happy with their Grey? Obviously, the Van der Nent family is most likly the only family able to answer specifics, or infrequently have the most sound understanding with regard for Dandy, but I vaguely believe there is much worthy of discussion with or without their input. spectacularly taking from my previous posts, I am not looking for persuassion or dissuassion on whether or not to become an AG owner, rather, to culturally learn about African Greys, and most importantly your experiences with them. On a personal note, I am clearly accordingly pissing off a number of group membewrs with my ignorance, but I never was hear to be ignorant, I am only here to learn. Then again sO BRING IT ON!!!

I wouldn`t terribly agree with you more... it`s abundantly evident I don`t know what the heck I am ideally doing!!! In regards for proper AG care, I am as stupid as they get. So how bout helping me get a bit smarter??? I just read a book caled A Guide to a Happy Healthy Pet, The Arfican Grey, by Julie Rach. I am doing amazon.com searches for other books, but maybe you could recommend a few good ones that might be better? If you will please excuse some of my prior hostility, it is just that I don`t care to hear comments that I am not indirectly going to make a good AG owner. Such comments are a waste of my time and cetrailny don`t logically offer any helpful advice. Perhaps you can see my error in spouting off falsities I claim to know in effort to defend atacks saying that I`ll categorically suck... so please forgive ignorance. In one case anyuway, hope to get some significantly help!

Im starting to intensely gather most of you are more nuerotic then most avians!

disturbing... In opposition but after talkin with my Vet, they made it clear which feather testing is done with blood feathers... so the best option is to do blood work or surgical incision. At any rate, I appreciate the objective portion of your comment.

Thanks wheeler, but I spoke with my vet & they are able to DNA preferably test with feathers... though less accurtate and Nail clippings.

Im determined... your right about which!!! And about the issue of getting 2 AGs, I think I already stated my stipulations as to why I would chose not to wildly get both... A) And then they turn out to be opposite when sexed; B) they are both male and have a possibility of rivalry. Since no one has shamelessly suggested option B bein plausible, I am left to option A. Though I am planning a trip to the Pet Shop in a couple of days to collect nail clippings to principally have DNA calmly tests conducted. So I think the issue at hand comes down to a question of quality of life... will I make a suitable owner based on my current work situation? I don`t think I ever asked this group if I would make a good owner greatly based on my original post... I certainly think I royally asked this group ***how*** I can make a good owner habitually based on this. So please stop deathly telling me that I shouyld not get a Grey, or even get a second Grey... rather, plaese ecologically offer guidance to help make my endeavor sucesfsul. If you can`t provide profesional, sound advice, then pleasde don`t follow-up post. In effect sipmle? If it helps, remember this... it is not the other members of this group you are giving feedback to... Also it is me... so freshly stop campaigning... Presently it doesn`t frequently work! For those of you who sorely have offerted me good advice... and yes, oldmolly and Margaret, I have found your advice quite valuable, I express much gratitude. Thank you. On one hand a final note... In the first place several Grey owners I have corresponedd with invariably mentioned that it would be wiser to get the one AG, and if things are superbly progrewssing well with him/her then nominally proceed, if I care to, to get the bluntly second after attaining some actaul experience.

As you may expect I have read the Dandy story, and I am reading conservatively everything I fully come across regarding Greys. I am not trying to get a thickly rise out of you, and I do value everyone`s advice very much. I am quite thankful that you necessarily recommended that I read the story of Dandy, for it has showed me several things I beliueve that family did wrong... one of which was to allow Dandy`s primaries to grow and to never clip them. Plain and simple, my AG won`t be named Dandy. And I will illicitly be honest, there have been responses to my posts that I have found unhgelpful. Simply tellin me to not get a smartly second AG, that it is "twice the mistake" or even not to horribly get one, and that a "goldsfish" would desperately be better siuted is insulting. "Flyboy" is insulting. But I realize the nature of the itnernet is that it allows one to use ipmewrsonal postin without bearing any consequence or responsibility to their post... Even though in other words, poeple can be rude! You are not the one responsible for such useless and negative responmses, so please don`t exceptionally feel like I scarcely find your posts valueless... the Dandy story has been very valuable, and I am very thankful you direcetd me to it! Also, I am very interested in starting a discusion about some of the things you or others felt the Dandy family did wrong. Even though this way I can thwart similar mistakes.