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=( pbfd and pdd might as well be called "avian aids" my macaw,godzilla has pdd and im hoping that his being a hybrid(supposedly hydrids are more resistant to diseases) will help him fight and live longer. i hope rishi does not have pbfd,=( it seems u have good vet working w you. =) the earlier u catch pbfd the better off you are. birds w pbfd tend to be prone to other ailments and the acidophilus/lactobacilus is definatly going to help rishi be it that he has (lets hope not) pdfd or just a reaction to some sort of antibiotic. he could have damaged feather follicles,("usually"caused by plucking),if its a reaction to an antibiotic its temporary and rishi "should" be back to normal with his next molt.(he may take a little longer or he may need a detox*) it would be nice if it was as simple as rishi being overlooked as a "king" grey either way,give him the probiotic,if you dont already have it you can get it fairly easily. just make sure you get the probiotic acidphilus(it contains lactobacilus). hopefully rishi is just having a reaction. =) good luck till u hear more! *21 days of nothing but distilled drinking water.<br><br>Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/20 07:30

"Work in relation to what?" im not sure i understand what you r asking. if you r asking how i feel it works in relation to other things that are claimed to work and really dont do much on their claims(like vit drops in h2o and such)then its a no brainer. if u r asking how it works in relation to what ailments it will actually benefit i would say pretty much anything g.i. related as it doesnt atack anything and only aids the body with an onslaught of some 20 billion live friendly organisms. if u want to try it make u get the pure stuff,alot of companies have started to produce it and the fancier and yummier it gets the less efective it seems to be. much like when people used "mane n tail" conditioner on themselves just as much as their horses, it lost most of its potency when the manufacter changed it and made it "for people" and started to sell it at most stores, it was just a marketing campaign and didnt do much more than anything else on the market unless u got the original from a feed store. much the same the probiotic thing is in full swing and manufacturers are advertising it to sell diff things but it doesnt do much of anything once its been processed to that extent. in a shell, anything explosive ,icky, runny or watery will go away in a few hours in people or birds after consumtion. as for dosage,adult humans take 2 tablepoons,if u reduce by weight the dosage to a bird it wuld pretty much b the tip of a pin and that wouldnt be enough,hehheh bout a 1/4 teaspoon is a good bird sized dose. alot of birds take it right from the spoon =) ps-how is rishi doing? Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/20 00:22<br><br>Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/20 00:25

aww,no , i wasnt implying he had something wrong =(,,, i meant that even in a healthy bird u notice a difference overnight. =) its found in yogurt,but it doesnt do much cuz its kinda weak,u have to get it in pure form. im not much on snake oil,but it is the one thing that does work...:cheer:

this from the cdc talks of the 09 h1n1 flu in companion animals(u have to scroll a bit down)... http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/qa.htm<br><br>Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/19 14:20

jillybeanz,have u ever given your bird acidophilus? u can see the differance in stool overnight. =)

First off id like 2 say if you r a picky Pete,or a nervous nelson or a paranoia Paula, u get the idea then u may want to click away now, this is meant to b interesting and fun for bird owners and people owned by their birds and at the risk of setting myself up 4 some negative as well as positive its here for the taking. =) i myself am not huge pellet fan but i do not frown upon any1 that uses them. its just not my 1st choice of food, i will use them, ive tried a few brands, i still keep one of my birds 5 feeding bowls w pellets just so they are there for the offering(1 of which is a foraging tube,really every1 should have one of these of some sort,but more on that mayb another time) from a controversial pic(not controversial here but someplace else,those that read my first post on here will know who i m talking about ) i did ( as i always do ) some research just for grins and found some very interesting things that id like to share. now for this to make any sense i have to explain y on earth i compared ice cream to leading organic ( and non organic) pellets to begin with.lol in a nutshell,i was given the 3rd degree for giving my companion some ice cream. birds can have ice cream / dairy , now it has to b in moderation as they do have a little trouble digesting it but its not going to hurt them and i stress in some amounts , not every day, not a huge bowl etc etc,just use common sense and have fun sharing treats w your bird all species seem to have particular traits and Grey's seem to have an affinity for their humans coffee(mayb its the caffeine ,a questionable substance to give) moreso than macaws and amazons. now on to the facts,these are the ingredients in an ice cream i happen to like and share w my companion on occasion- good humor king cone-(ice cream)-nonfat milk,sugar, milkfat,corn syrup,whey,high fructose corn syrup,mono- and diglycerides,cellulose gum, guar gum,polysorbate 65 and 80,carrageenan,artificial and natural flavors, (cone)-bleached wheat flour,chocolate flavored coating,sugar,coconut oil,cocoa,soy lecithin,natural flavor,sugar,molasses,salt,partially htdrogenated soybeanoil, soy lecithin,caramel color,artificial, flavor, (choc topping) coconut oil,sugar,chocolate liquor,nonfat dry milk,whey,butterfat,milk,soy lecithin,artificial flavor. while coconut oil and soy lecithin common in good pellets is actually not bad for birds and the cocoa plant indiginious to central america where it is consumed in the wild i noticed that while this did contain artificial flavours it did not however contain artificial colours like some pellets.( i am NOT saying to change a birds diet to good humor,lol ) here is another of my favourites that i share on occasion- good humor ice cream sandwich-(ice cream)-nonfat milk sugar,milkfat,corn syrup,whey,high fructose,momo-anddiglycerides,cellulose gum,guar gum,polysorbate 65 and 80,carrageenan,artificial and natural flavors. (wafer)bleached wheat flour,sugar,caramel colour,corn sugar,palm oil,corn flour,cocoa,high fructose corn syrup,corn syrup,modified corn startch,baking soda,salt,momo-and diglycerides,soy lecithin. the sandwich has pretty much the same things w interestingly enough the addition of palm oil which is very good for birds(some people have a hard time getting their birds to take palm oil)i am not in any way trying to say that this is a good way for them to get it. but i did find it interesing that it contained it. =) and a final favourite- breyers vanilla-milk,cream,sugar,natural vanilla, natural tara gum. now on to the pellets,,,,..(be sure to check out the links i included next to certain ingredients) roudybush pellets- Ingredients: Ground Corn, Ground Wheat, Peanut Meal, Soy Oil,Soy Meal, Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminosilicat(http://jas.fass.org/cgi/content/abstract/72/3/677), Yucca schidigen Extract(http://books.google.com/books?id=lbOxhvJ-VeoC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=Yucca+schidigen+Extract&source=bl&ots=_-nlPLOral&sig=4CZhNCSKOwS8G3Nb5pbaYi43rbk&hl=en&ei=FhMFS9KwLMXXnged9qS8Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBwQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=Yucca%20schidigen%20Extract&f=false), Salt, Calcium Carbonate(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate), L-Lysine,good for keeping avian papilloma under control,(http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/lysine-000312.htm) , DL-Methionine (http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=18526) ,Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Citric Acid, Lecithin, Silicon Dioxide (carrier for liquid antioxidants), Sodium Selenite (on Calcium Carbonate), Niacin, Alpha-Tocopherol Acetate (Source of Vitamin E), Biotin, Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Zinc Oxide, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyridoxine), Vit. A Acetate, Thiamine, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Vit K), Cyanocobalamin (VitB12), Vit D3 Sup. Folic Acid, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediamine_dihydroiodide), Propionic Acid, Ammonium Hydroxide(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_hydroxide), Acetic Acid, Sorbic Acid, Tartaric Acid, and natural apple flavoring. zupreem fruitblend- Ground corn, Soybean meal, Ground wheat, Vegetable oil, Wheat germ meal, Sucrose, Dicalcium phosphate, Calcium carbonate, Ground fruit (bananas, oranges, apples and grapes), Iodized salt, DL-methionine, Choline chloride, Ascorbic acid (source of Vitamin C), Natural mixed tocopherols, Rosemary extract, Citric acid, Natural and artificial colors, Artificial flavors, Manganous oxide, Zinc oxide, Copper sulfate, Calcium iodate, Sodium selenite, Vitamin A supplement, Vitamin D3 supplement, Vitamin E supplement, Vitamin K supplement, Niacin, Calcium pantothenate, Pyridoxine hydrochloride, Thiamine, Riboflavin, Folic acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 supplement. ( i didnt link ingredients in the zupreem as they were for the most part similar w the exception of a few self explainitory ones ) i am not saying one is better or bad , or better or worse. or saying you should or shouldnt use one or the other. just that , i found some very good things in the least likely places and vice versa or is it visa versa,lol? i have personally used all the products that i have included in this post. i am not endorsing or saying to use them yourself and i am not saying you are right or wrong for using or not using things i mentioned. simply have fun with it,dig deeper into it,or find it interesting like i did. who says birds cant have a little dairy? Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/19 12:17 Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/19 12:24<br><br>Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/19 12:27

1650 grams! :woohoo: thats over 3 1/2 pounds if im converting right,, jeesum,i thought godzilla was big at 3 1/4 pounds when i first got him,lol... i think u just may have the biggest greenwing =) aww , y wuld any1 want u to wear gloves w that sweet baby bird.. has he fed or tried to feed u yet? =)

B) i just cant bliv how magenta that bird looks, u sure u didnt photoshop him a little?lol,just kidding. post more pixx!! :cheer:<br><br>Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/19 02:20

no way {Feel-good-000200A2} i thought it was mostly the pic making him look purplish,is he really much deeper than normal? =D

thankx , u gave good directions =) wow,hes soo red he's glowing,i need shades B)

thanks luvparrots, and dave007 that was a kool,heheh =) thanks for mentioning sticks,lol,w soo much to say i 4got to mention that i realy dont like the idea of poking 2 sticks at a bird. my macaw wasnt a baby that i got all nice and buddy like,he had 5 prior owners that all went to get stitches. i met his last owner,he was an avian educated guy that had several other birds but just could not get him to be nice. it took a few months to get him trusting and handlable and about a year to be totally at ease and at a year and a half he became as cuddly as a cockatoo,as gentle as a hyacinth,as playful as a goffin and as quiet as a greencheek... i never used a stick ,a treat or even a towel to tame him or "train" eh, i dislike the word train,i prefere "teach" or "taught" train sounds soo robotic,i never wanted him to do a trick because a "peanut" was involved it just seemed soo shallow, or empty,i wanted him to do things because he enjoyed it and enjoyed making me happy and thats what happened. im all for treats and sharing meals but i didnt want to become nothing more than a "treat" to my companion because i wanted a companion moreso than a pet. im not going to lie and say ive never taken a bite because i have,we all have(unless we poke sticks :whistle:) i have learned lot, i love to share what i have learned,i love when i am at a fair or pet store rolling a bird around on the floor w my finger in its mouth making "puppy play" and people that own birds and people that dont come up to me with a huge smile of amazement and say "i didnt know u could play w your bird like that =D",the womacks dictate that common sence tells them that pointy beaks and faces dont belong together. i have zero, absolute zero uneasyness being beak to nose with my baby,and most(not all)new birds i come into contact with(now i do make sure that i can read a birds body language,if i cant then i dont put my face by it)i have been grazed on the face 1 time when i was holding a strange bird and somone ran up to me and startled it,nither my fault nor the birds, there is a good chnce it may even been trying to warn me. ive learned that bites come for many many diff reasons from good excitment to warning their owners(some owners take it the wrong way). perhaps i was quick to use the word "respect" for the womacks,i was looking up info years go and got stuck on their mailing list by geting trick clicked,it didnt seem harmful so i let their mails come,eh,i try to learn all i can and then pyramid off the info that seems useless or noncredible,so i read their articles and watched their vids and was torn as to if they actually liked birds or were just mongers w a following. i saw them on facebook ,added them and the rest is history,here i am,lol all because of this picture that started all the fuss. here is my baby right b4 his bday eating for the 1st time after 2 days...and even if he hadnt not eaten for 2 days and was in perfect health i STIL would have offered him what i had in my hand. i learned "poopology 101" long b4 he got sick +) thanks =)<br><br>Post edited by: devonanno, at: 2009/11/17 03:29

..and hey any1's name that i didnt specificly mention,thanku =) i read all your posts. and pdd semms to b on the rise i am up to the minute on it. i opt not to give my baby celebrex but thats me. i had told the womacks that a pdd article tht they posted was way out of date. on a positive note i would like to say the best way to combat the virus is to avoid it and very simply treat it like you would h1n1,carry hand sanitizer,use it before and after handling other birds.(pet shops ,bird fairs,etc) get it with moisterizer,the worse that can happen is u get softer hnds i dont have a grey for a companion anymore. he was taken from me by a hawk from my arm. i have a macaw and i cant get another companion becuse it will get infected. i met a grey at a local shop,his name was pitre and he would always "clikk" at me but i didnt pay him much mind because i guess in the back of my mind im still mouring about my grey,but one day i asked about him and they told me he was 8 years old and there for an owner that didnt want him because he bit,so,i "clikked" at him and b4 i got my hand in the cage he was giving me food when i took him out his tail was wagging like a dog and he fed me for almost 20 minutes. he bit the previous owner not out of aggression but because thats what they somtimes do to their mates. i wish i could have brought him home =( i realize that this is a grey site, but it was one of the very few that looked trusted and that hasnt been put under the influence of "birdtricks". i guess when all is said and done my biggest dissapointment with the womacks is i thought they were real bird lovers and i dont feel they are. the lack of support hurts. let me know if this site is bird friendly or grey only. thanks again

if i am not mistken the womacks started out as dog trainers or claiming to be anyway and pushing their dog food. =/ and yess harmar its very easy to get stuck on their email list and hard to get off it. they hog the net under diff names so wherever u click its them under a new guise. i chose this site to post on because it wasnt owned,culted or "womacked" yess, judygram,they have a myspace as well. i mentioned freeflight becuz i want my baby to know whats its like as his time limit isnt looking soo good and i was flooded w "gotta b supervised by the womax" i didnt mind if they wanted to aid but i kept stressing that my bird will infect theirs,they finally said ok they wont bring their birds and buy their course. yep,ramsabi ,i spell their name wrong because it has left such a sour taste in my mouth but people know exactly who im talking about so its all good =) absolutley every1's very happy as long as they repeat and say what the womacks say to do then they get a hearty "thats awsome! good job!" they keep their cult memembers very loyal by giving them constant praise,lol oh, but go against them whoo hoo,they get their info from other people so u wuld think that they wuld b more open. i never wanted people to agree or disgree w me , i only posted facts to the questions that people asked me and left it open. yes i did write erica and tell her off but whats not mentioned is that i was contantly told that i was treating my baby bad and feeding him "junk" ,i was also answering her questions nonstop and trying to put to rest her fears up to the very last minutes b4 my baby's bday,matter o fact, i told her i am counting down till midnight the minutes to my baby's bday but will continue to answer her until and even spent a half hour past answering her. my baby is infected with the pdd virus,i prayed that he just live to see his bday on nov 13th and he did. i spent the days b4 his bday arguing w the womacks during his bday and after his bday arguing w erica and the womacks,if i wsnt arguing i was trying to help people(i got tons of personal emails from womacks fans wanting help)and yess when i got told i was doing bad to my baby u bet it infuriated me. your bird knows when you are feeling bad and chet and dave womack certainly did a fine job as did erica and they all got personal mails from an angry parent(me) some lines u just dont cross u know what im sayin? what really bothered me was my baby stoped eating for 2 days and his appetite was brought back w a little ice cream,he instantly perked up and started eating his food, i took a pic of him likking a cone to share with the womacks site,i was soo happy that he started eating i wanted to share(somtimes pdd birds will respond to soft foods)but the womacks quickly took down his happy picture =( they knew his condition as did anyone that visited their page. birds can have dairy in moderation,it wont hurt them,its just a little hard for them to digest like it is for some people and its the same with some birds. really human bodies are not designed to have milks(at least not cow milk)but we dont think about it because our parents see the dairy comercials and from the the time we are little kids till adults we just assume our aquired tatse is correct. thanks any questions feel free...=)

i had respect for the womack bros(birdtricks.com) till i joined their facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/jacksnme?ref=nf#/pages/BirdTrickscom/10162906198?ref=mf) i joined their page to share info and maybe get support for my pdd stricken companion. if i saw a fan asking a question that was left unanswered i answered it,if i saw a question answered wrong by chet or dave womack i corrected it. when i was attacked by others on their page i reacted. they do NOT base anything they know from facts, they only give answers that will gain them praise from fans that they give much needed praise for doing what they approve of(one of their bird training techniques that they apply to people) they defend "organic" because they push "organic" i am not for nor against "organic" but was slammed by their "cult" when i mentioned the facts. they push training dvd's that only end up creating more problems that they just happen to have the dvd's to solve. IMO-starving a bird or taking its food away so it performs better to get food is wrong. i have NEVER used food to train and i have worked w the worst of birds and made them the best,sweetest,obedient companions. my companion that is infected and dying from pdd had 5 owners b4 me that all went to the emergency room for stitches. he has zero issues, he never screams,never flock calls,never needs his cage locked,never makes any noise other than some turkey goobles plus he does all basic "trix" "turkey trick"-a trick containing 3 kisses,"the poison apple"-the basic lay on his back and wait for a kiss,the"big eagle"-self explanatory,"the crow"-sits on my shoulder and holds his wings out like the crow when he hears "crow","roll over"-he does a complete roll on his own to the left and then back on verbal command,"baby bird"-gets held like a baby and flipped over by his tail,,plus lots more, i didnt let him learn ,not "teach" learn his left from his right and how to count to 4 to amuse people i taught him because he wanted to b taught. yes it took a while, the womacks force birds to do what they want them to do. they talk of choice but dont exercise it. i never used a clicker or pointed stick at him or bribed him w treats. a clicker is not soo good for a birds nervous system and pointing sticks at an abused bird is about as helpful as waving a baseball bat at an inmate hoping for a positive reaction, yes its "quicker" but the long term result is bad. i produced facts that organic was not shown to b better than conventional(the new york times was one sourse) and i produced facts that bottles vrs tap h20 was not shown to be much beter.(w bottled you pay for a bottle,a label and a name) again, i am not being pro nor con on water,just factual. to all the people on their facebook page that asked me "what do we feed our birds if they cant have organic and they cant have bottled or tap water" i said,im not saying to feed or not feed them organic or non or tap or bottled im saying that "if" u want the best to feed them what they would get in the wilde since alot of owners pride on trying to replicate the wilde and that would be rain water (there are horrible things in tap that would make you not want to drink it again) im on my third venus fly trap plant that is 2 years old now because it must have rain water,if watered with tap or bottled it will die in a few weeks(that should say something about water).... birds dont drink much water to begin with,and in dry seasons they get much water intake from fruits rich in water. again im not saying what to do or not to do , im only presenting facts. my biggest problem was not only womack fans bashing knowledge but the womacks took down a picture of my companion that i took because he stopped eating and started again when i tried about 20 diff things the latter being ice cream which he ate and regained appetite. ice cream is better than nothing. the womacks said that they didnt want a picture of a bird eating dairy. i asked why and never got a straight answer. i told them several times that the fact is that birds CAN have dairy in some amounts and backed it w a number to the best known avian vet in the state on their facebook page. i asked again for facts but only got the womacks and their fans saying they heard that its bad,well,show me the proof,"they"is not proof,sorry but its not. i provided proof that they could anyone ever told others about giving their birds pizza crust only to b told "i hope you give your bird some of the pizza as well",well,cheese is dairy,lol. truth is,between celebrex (something that is not that great for people much less birds) and a little ice cream , i choose ice cream. i tried to educate the womacks and their fans on pdd because their fans started to panic. the womacks posted some way out of date article on pdd that offered little if any info on the virus and most importantly it offered ZERO info on how to help prevent spreading the virus. for those that dont know,pdd is %100 fatal,%100 unable to be cured,and not treatable(unless u want to risk celebrex and hve your bird die from heart failure) they slowly starve,their proventiculous starts to fail,they have seizures,their wings get paralysis,their legs get paralysis,they throw up slime constantly till they die. i posted on the womacks page that they r only working w birds for the money and how do they sleep at nyte? they told me they would allow my birds picture if i included a caption as to y my bird could eat junk. i told the womacks that i really dont want to have to say "its ok for me because my beloved companion is gonna die anyway" thats way too morbid and i try to not think about him being sick. but they have no heart nor compassion for animals. they are all about money and thats it. there is alot more to the virus that i will answer if anyone wants to share info. thanks

i had respect for the womack bros(birdtricks.com) till i joined their facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/jacksnme?ref=nf#/pages/BirdTrickscom/10162906198?ref=mf) i joined their page to share info and maybe get support for my pdd stricken companion. if i saw a fan asking a question that was left unanswered i answered it,if i saw a question answered wrong by chet or dave womack i corrected it. when i was attacked by others on their page i reacted. they do NOT base anything they know from facts, they only give answers that will gain them praise from fans that they give much needed praise for doing what they approve of(one of their bird training techniques that they apply to people) they defend "organic" because they push "organic" i am not for nor against "organic" but was slammed by their "cult" when i mentioned the facts. they push training dvd's that only end up creating more problems that they just happen to have the dvd's to solve. IMO-starving a bird or taking its food away so it performs better to get food is wrong. i have NEVER used food to train and i have worked w the worst of birds and made them the best,sweetest,obedient companions. my companion that is infected and dying from pdd had 5 owners b4 me that all went to the emergency room for stitches. he has zero issues, he never screams,never flock calls,never needs his cage locked,never makes any noise other than some turkey goobles plus he does all basic "trix" "turkey trick"-a trick containing 3 kisses,"the poison apple"-the basic lay on his back and wait for a kiss,the"big eagle"-self explanatory,"the crow"-sits on my shoulder and holds his wings out like the crow when he hears "crow","roll over"-he does a complete roll on his own to the left and then back on verbal command,"baby bird"-gets held like a baby and flipped over by his tail,,plus lots more, i didnt let him learn ,not "teach" learn his left from his right and how to count to 4 to amuse people i taught him because he wanted to b taught. yes it took a while, the womacks force birds to do what they want them to do. they talk of choice but dont exercise it. i never used a clicker or pointed stick at him or bribed him w treats. a clicker is not soo good for a birds nervous system and pointing sticks at an abused bird is about as helpful as waving a baseball bat at an inmate hoping for a positive reaction, yes its "quicker" but the long term result is bad. i produced facts that organic was not shown to b better than conventional(the new york times was one sourse) and i produced facts that bottles vrs tap h20 was not shown to be much beter.(w bottled you pay for a bottle,a label and a name) again, i am not being pro nor con on water,just factual. to all the people on their facebook page that asked me "what do we feed our birds if they cant have organic and they cant have bottled or tap water" i said,im not saying to feed or not feed them organic or non or tap or bottled im saying that "if" u want the best to feed them what they would get in the wilde since alot of owners pride on trying to replicate the wilde and that would be rain water (there are horrible things in tap that would make you not want to drink it again) im on my third venus fly trap plant that is 2 years old now because it must have rain water,if watered with tap or bottled it will die in a few weeks(that should say something about water).... birds dont drink much water to begin with,and in dry seasons they get much water intake from fruits rich in water. again im not saying what to do or not to do , im only presenting facts. my biggest problem was not only womack fans bashing knowledge but the womacks took down a picture of my companion that i took because he stopped eating and started again when i tried about 20 diff things the latter being ice cream which he ate and regained appetite. ice cream is better than nothing. the womacks said that they didnt want a picture of a bird eating dairy. i asked why and never got a straight answer. i told them several times that the fact is that birds CAN have dairy in some amounts and backed it w a number to the best known avian vet in the state on their facebook page. i asked again for facts but only got the womacks and their fans saying they heard that its bad,well,show me the proof,"they"is not proof,sorry but its not. i provided proof that they could anyone ever told others about giving their birds pizza crust only to b told "i hope you give your bird some of the pizza as well",well,cheese is dairy,lol. truth is,between celebrex (something that is not that great for people much less birds) and a little ice cream , i choose ice cream. i tried to educate the womacks and their fans on pdd because their fans started to panic. the womacks posted some way out of date article on pdd that offered little if any info on the virus and most importantly it offered ZERO info on how to help prevent spreading the virus. for those that dont know,pdd is %100 fatal,%100 unable to be cured,and not treatable(unless u want to risk celebrex and hve your bird die from heart failure) they slowly starve,their proventiculous starts to fail,they have seizures,their wings get paralysis,their legs get paralysis,they throw up slime constantly till they die. i posted on the womacks page that they r only working w birds for the money and how do they sleep at nyte? they told me they would allow my birds picture if i included a caption as to y my bird could eat junk. i told the womacks that i really dont want to have to say "its ok for me because my beloved companion is gonna die anyway" thats way too morbid and i try to not think about him being sick. but they have no heart nor compassion for animals. they are all about money and thats it. there is alot more to the virus that i will answer if anyone wants to share info. thanks