I guess this topic is not as conversational as I thought it might be. Pretty much everybody is a non-clipper. My Grey cant fly yet and she's four, but she drops like a rock. I don't think her wings have ever been clip.I like to take my bird to and from work. I would be so afraid of loosing her if she could fly. I guess it's not so much a problem if the consensus says to let them fly. Or do the clippers not speak up to avoid the flames?:evil: