thanks for that Abdullah, I have found 3 of these types already and there are a couple i am still very suspicious of as well, but I think I have found a couple possible proper breeders but of course they are more expensive ... but in the long run I don't mind waiting ... afterall I will have the little bugger in my life for a long long time so time spent now saving for a new cage , toys , and a properly cared for baby will be time well spent in the long run I think ... cheers and have a lil karma too :laugh: