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Alfie rarely steps up to come out of his main/big cage. I open the door and let him come out on his own. Some days he immediately climbs out, other times he'll eye me up suspiciously before climbing out. I think he probably tries to work out whether it's play time or whether I'm going to take him upstairs because I'm either working from home or want to put him in his travel cage. (If his travel cage is in the same room he definitely won't come out!) He has a second cage upstairs so he can come and join me when I work from home, just so we can keep each other company. He will always step up to come out of that cage. He's still a little wary of the play top so on the odd occasion that I do let him climb out he'll generally try and get to me anyway as he doesn't want to climb to the top of his cage. If I do ask him to step up from his main cage then he'll either do the same thing as Vim where he asks for head scratches, he'll gently push my hand or the wooden dowel I'm using away or he'll lean back on his perch to indicate there's no way he's stepping up for anything. It's really rare for him to step up to come out of that cage- but it does happy once in a blue moon!

Then where does their stubbornness come from lol?

These Greys have the patience of the Gods 😆